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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Corwin" data-source="post: 64549" data-attributes="member: 1560">Appearantly not...Caliban, I'd like to just bring up your first post on this thread to remind you (and me and everyone) where this started.I'm sorry, but there is presumption there, whether you like it or not: "By the core rules, a shield is armor." This and the related info were what I responded to originally. I, and several others, feel this is not necessarily the case. Here was my first post in response to the above statements by you:Was there anything there to cause you to react with a condescending attitude? You say yes. I just don't see it. I even felt I was being nice about the whole thing (at first of course). Others can make up their own opinions. But you came back with stuff like:andDismissive, IMO. There is obviously an argument to be made that contradicts your view. From there, things fell apart, side-tracked and ran off into OT BS. Whatever. It happens all the time here and on other boards. I don't even know how, really. Having had a night to think about things, I guess I need to say a few things.First, I apologize for having offended you or anyone else. For ex, my comment to Icebear about "licking hands" was mostly an alagory because I think of him as a bear and it seemed like a bear thing to do. I don't know. Was it something that needed to be harped on? Who knows. Anyway, Second, my opinion of the Sage is indeed mixed. Unlike some here, I do not think he is the end-all of 3e rules. He has made many mistakes. Some worse than others. I take his opinion with the same salt-lick that I use on anyone else's. I never said "The Sage sucks and anyone who disagrees with me doesn't understand how things work" like Caliban would like to have people think. I've said it before, he has made many correct calls. But he is just a guy. Just because I don't put him on a pedestal does not mean I think he "sucks".Third, that leads me to one of Icebear's last points. A rules call from the Sage I don't agree with is involved as well. Icebear asked:I don't agree with this. The arbitrary decision to disallow shields with non-armor armor bonuses does not make sense to me. I disagree with the Sage's ruling on the matter. This perhaps, lends to my opinion that shields are not "Armor". Perhaps I look forward to the day (which will never come) when WotC R&D issues errata changing shields to a shield bonus (like the glossary suggests). That would clean all this up neatly, IMO. But, oh well, I can dream can't I?C-ya 'round, perhaps.</blockquote>

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