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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Esker" data-source="post: 7628282" data-attributes="member: 6966824">I don't know if you realize it or not, but when you  say things like this (and things like "I don't overstate cases") it  comes across as pretty arrogant and condescending. I don't think I was  doing the same; maybe I was, but if so I didn't mean to be.In  probabilities, but not in actual rolls, which is what I was referring  to. The reason this may matter is that by conserving your superiority  dice for near misses like that you run the risk of not using them all,  because you might not have enough rolls that miss by 4 or less. In fact,  that will happen about half the time (the other half of the time you  will burn through them quickly, which doesn't balance out the other case  since it's a finite resource). That's why your calculation is  optimistic, because you are finding an optimal threshold to use and then  assuming you will be able to use your dice optimally in practice, which  isn't going to be the case in general. It probably doesn't make a huge  difference, but it's one reason why I think it muddies things to treat  precision attack dice as a fixed boost to your to-hit chance instead of  thinking about it in terms of an expected number of attacks that go from  misses to hits.Yeah, we had crossed edits there. I  realized I was adding 1+3/4+1/2+1/4 for some reason to get 2.5 instead  of 1+7/8+6/8+5/8 to get 3.25, but fixed it in the edit.Not all that much. The rogue loses about 2 DPR at level 5.Right, hence the "all else equal" qualifier in  my statement. But on average, if you divide up the encounters you see in  a day into easy, medium and hard, I would bet that the hard ones  consist of higher ACs generally than the easy ones.  I mean, it is (in terms of averages) if you don't artificially restrict  the rogue from using booming blade, etc., or if you look at fighters  that don't take the best combination of fighting style, archetype,  maneuver, maneuver deployment strategy, and feats. What I'm taking issue  with is the conventional wisdom that the single classed rogue is a  particularly weak combat class. Not that it doesn't contain the  very-top-tier-optimized-for-DPR-at-the-expense-of-all-else single  classed build within it. You said that "Past tier 1 rogues start  sucking at damage.  The only exception is the  AT and that's solely because of booming blade and shadow blade," but it  could just as easily be said that "Fighters are not that much better  than rogues at (average) damage. The only exception is the Battlemaster,  and that's solely because of the interplay between precision attack and  the -5/+10 feats."I'd be fine if you wanted to say "If you're  trying to optimize a build for damage, then a single classed rogue  doesn't offer you a way to do that (though an AT using booming blade and  shadow blade can do pretty well)." But it sounded like you were making a  blanket statement about the class in general as compared to other  classes in general (which I think is the conventional wisdom! and which  is what I was aiming to critique in the OP)That's why it was in a footnote: it was tangential to the original average DPR discussion.</blockquote>

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