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<blockquote data-quote="wlmartin" data-source="post: 6231060" data-attributes="member: 6679380"><p>Hi guys</p><p></p><p>Looking to advance a monster as a Kobold to CR7 with a change to Large.</p><p>Based on : <a href="http://paizo.com/prd/monsters/monsterAdvancement.html" target="_blank">http://paizo.com/prd/monsters/monsterAdvancement.html</a> and <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/humanoids/kobold" target="_blank">http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/humanoids/kobold</a> I wanted to go through the steps and see if I understood them well</p><p></p><p>(NOTE : If the suggestion is an either/or, i pick the higher.. so 2-3, i go 3)</p><p></p><p>Step : 1 - Plan the Monster </p><p>This is going to be a simple one, exactly the same abilities and attacks, just CR7 (+6 CR) and going from Small to Large</p><p></p><p>Step : 2 - Add Hit Die</p><p>Going from CR1 to CR7 gives me the following : </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">HP : 60 = 5+10+10+15+15 [+5 (existing)]</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">AC : 23 = 2+1+2+1+1+1 [+15 (existing)]</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">ATK : 13 = 2+2+2+2+2+2 [+1 (existing)]</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">DMG : 1d6+23 = 3+3+3+4+5+5 [+1d6-1 (existing)]</li> </ul><p></p><p>Step : 2a - Change Size</p><p>Going from Small to Large</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">STR : +12 = +4 (small > medium) +8 (medium > large)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">DEX : -4 = -2 (small > medium) -2 (medium > large)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">CON : +6 = +2 (small > medium) +4 (medium > large)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Natural Armor : +2 = +0 (small > medium) +2 (medium > large)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">AC/ATK : -1</li> </ul><p></p><p>Step : 3 - Ability Scores & Changes</p><p></p><p>First Saves, this isnt covered in the Advancement Page given so I looked it up and this creature I believe gets poor saves, so really its +1 each CR</p><p><strong>Fort</strong> +2, <strong>Ref</strong> +1, <strong>Will</strong> –1 becomes <strong>Fort</strong> +8, <strong>Ref</strong> +7, <strong>Will</strong> +5</p><p></p><p><u>For Abilities, the Up is going into +1 to CON</u></p><p>STR : was 9 now 21 with a +12 change in modifier</p><p>DEX : was 13 now 9 with a -4 change in modifier</p><p>CON : was 10 now 17 with a +6 change in modifier</p><p>INT : was 10 now 10 with no change in modifier</p><p>WIS : was 9 now 9 with no change in modifier</p><p>CHA : was 8 now 8 with no change in modifier</p><p></p><p>+12 STR gives a +6 to ATK & DMG</p><p>-4 DEX gives a -2 to AC (which is balanced out by the Natural AC)</p><p>+6 CON gives a +3hp per CR (+21)</p><p></p><p>Final stats as far as I can tell are :</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">HP : 81</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">AC : 22</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">ATK : 18</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">DMG : 1d6+28</li> </ul><p></p><p>Furthermore with a BAB of 13, he gets +13/+8/+3</p><p>This attack sequence is modified to +18/+13/+8</p><p></p><p>---- So this looks quite stable</p><p></p><p>Now to compare vs a Hill Giant (Club wielding CR7 Large Creature)</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">HP : 85</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">AC : 22</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Saves : <strong>Fort</strong> +11, <strong>Ref</strong> +2, <strong>Will</strong> +3</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">ATK : +14/+9</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">DMG : 2d8+10</li> </ul><p></p><p>So my HP and AC are about there</p><p>Saves look a bit out by expected that was a problem since I didnt have that included in the steps given by the webpage</p><p></p><p>ATK looks a bit off, I seem to have given my guy +4 extra attack and as a result an extra attack swing</p><p>DMG is WAAAAY off, with the above, my guy is doing 32 average vs 18</p><p></p><p>So I am sure I have made mistakes but can't figure them out..</p><p></p><p>My other option is to create a monster from scratch using <a href="http://paizo.com/PRD/monsters/monsterCreation.html" target="_blank">http://paizo.com/PRD/monsters/monsterCreation.html</a></p><p></p><p>Thanks for any help</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wlmartin, post: 6231060, member: 6679380"] Hi guys Looking to advance a monster as a Kobold to CR7 with a change to Large. Based on : [url]http://paizo.com/prd/monsters/monsterAdvancement.html[/url] and [url]http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/humanoids/kobold[/url] I wanted to go through the steps and see if I understood them well (NOTE : If the suggestion is an either/or, i pick the higher.. so 2-3, i go 3) Step : 1 - Plan the Monster This is going to be a simple one, exactly the same abilities and attacks, just CR7 (+6 CR) and going from Small to Large Step : 2 - Add Hit Die Going from CR1 to CR7 gives me the following : [LIST] [*]HP : 60 = 5+10+10+15+15 [+5 (existing)] [*]AC : 23 = 2+1+2+1+1+1 [+15 (existing)] [*]ATK : 13 = 2+2+2+2+2+2 [+1 (existing)] [*]DMG : 1d6+23 = 3+3+3+4+5+5 [+1d6-1 (existing)] [/LIST] Step : 2a - Change Size Going from Small to Large [LIST] [*]STR : +12 = +4 (small > medium) +8 (medium > large) [*]DEX : -4 = -2 (small > medium) -2 (medium > large) [*]CON : +6 = +2 (small > medium) +4 (medium > large) [*]Natural Armor : +2 = +0 (small > medium) +2 (medium > large) [*]AC/ATK : -1 [/LIST] Step : 3 - Ability Scores & Changes First Saves, this isnt covered in the Advancement Page given so I looked it up and this creature I believe gets poor saves, so really its +1 each CR [B]Fort[/B] +2, [B]Ref[/B] +1, [B]Will[/B] –1 becomes [B]Fort[/B] +8, [B]Ref[/B] +7, [B]Will[/B] +5 [U]For Abilities, the Up is going into +1 to CON[/U] STR : was 9 now 21 with a +12 change in modifier DEX : was 13 now 9 with a -4 change in modifier CON : was 10 now 17 with a +6 change in modifier INT : was 10 now 10 with no change in modifier WIS : was 9 now 9 with no change in modifier CHA : was 8 now 8 with no change in modifier +12 STR gives a +6 to ATK & DMG -4 DEX gives a -2 to AC (which is balanced out by the Natural AC) +6 CON gives a +3hp per CR (+21) Final stats as far as I can tell are : [LIST] [*]HP : 81 [*]AC : 22 [*]ATK : 18 [*]DMG : 1d6+28 [/LIST] Furthermore with a BAB of 13, he gets +13/+8/+3 This attack sequence is modified to +18/+13/+8 ---- So this looks quite stable Now to compare vs a Hill Giant (Club wielding CR7 Large Creature) [LIST] [*]HP : 85 [*]AC : 22 [*]Saves : [B]Fort[/B] +11, [B]Ref[/B] +2, [B]Will[/B] +3 [*]ATK : +14/+9 [*]DMG : 2d8+10 [/LIST] So my HP and AC are about there Saves look a bit out by expected that was a problem since I didnt have that included in the steps given by the webpage ATK looks a bit off, I seem to have given my guy +4 extra attack and as a result an extra attack swing DMG is WAAAAY off, with the above, my guy is doing 32 average vs 18 So I am sure I have made mistakes but can't figure them out.. My other option is to create a monster from scratch using [url]http://paizo.com/PRD/monsters/monsterCreation.html[/url] Thanks for any help [/QUOTE]
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