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<blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5411403" data-attributes="member: 78116"><p>You know, I completely forgot the most ridiculous combo in all of 4th edition right now, achievable with a single MM3 creature and the new Wraith - both heroic tier.</p><p></p><p>Level 4 Jackalwere Deceiver</p><p>Level 5 Wraith Ally (who conveniently starts combat invisible).</p><p></p><p>Jackalwere knocks PC unconscious with his power.</p><p></p><p>Wraith Coup De Graces PC.</p><p></p><p>Congratulations, no matter who you are you're now dead as you need a minimum of 78 HP to survive that (As a wraith will auto crit you for 38 points of damage - probably well above your bloodied value). Alternatively, if you feel the wraith is a disputable ally the level 3 Jackalwere Bravo gets 20+2d4 (22-28) points of damage on a Coup de Grace. That still one shots nearly every level 3/4 PC in 4E of course, it's just not as spectacular as the wraith is.</p><p></p><p>This is probably the most extreme example in 4E of abusing monsters that I can think of (and really relies on the flawed Coup de Grace rule). Of course any DM who ever does this either hasn't thought about their encounter design at all or is just a dick.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aegeri, post: 5411403, member: 78116"] You know, I completely forgot the most ridiculous combo in all of 4th edition right now, achievable with a single MM3 creature and the new Wraith - both heroic tier. Level 4 Jackalwere Deceiver Level 5 Wraith Ally (who conveniently starts combat invisible). Jackalwere knocks PC unconscious with his power. Wraith Coup De Graces PC. Congratulations, no matter who you are you're now dead as you need a minimum of 78 HP to survive that (As a wraith will auto crit you for 38 points of damage - probably well above your bloodied value). Alternatively, if you feel the wraith is a disputable ally the level 3 Jackalwere Bravo gets 20+2d4 (22-28) points of damage on a Coup de Grace. That still one shots nearly every level 3/4 PC in 4E of course, it's just not as spectacular as the wraith is. This is probably the most extreme example in 4E of abusing monsters that I can think of (and really relies on the flawed Coup de Grace rule). Of course any DM who ever does this either hasn't thought about their encounter design at all or is just a dick. [/QUOTE]
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