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<blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 5714238" data-attributes="member: 43019"><p>It's a standard WotC mistake, which can get even worse depending on your DM's selection of critters (for example, if brutes and soldiers are more common than skirmishers and artillery) - home created mobs won't necessarily follow the trend.</p><p></p><p>I did a study some months back of Monster Vault Defenses and the results were</p><p>AC 13.9934210526316    </p><p>Fort 12.5197368421053    </p><p>Ref 11.6743421052632    </p><p>Will 11.0625</p><p></p><p>So, yeah, it's not a _huge_ difference, but it's still there. I grouched at WotC some about it at the time and I think one of them actually really listened to what I said (I included a spreadsheet plotting every monster whose defenses was out of whack) so I have hopes that newer monster vaults will be better.</p><p></p><p>Actually, here's a<a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AspswKmHUtyIdEVsaW1ucHdaaXEzZHdnRy1odm8tZ1E#gid=0" target="_blank"> copy of the spreadsheet</a> - note that this was prior to the MV errata (the abyssal ghoul hungerer is off, at a minimum)</p><p></p><p>Also good for noting that minions tend to get too low defenses <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> (and they're the ones who can least afford it - at least a brute has a hp cushion)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="keterys, post: 5714238, member: 43019"] It's a standard WotC mistake, which can get even worse depending on your DM's selection of critters (for example, if brutes and soldiers are more common than skirmishers and artillery) - home created mobs won't necessarily follow the trend. I did a study some months back of Monster Vault Defenses and the results were AC 13.9934210526316 Fort 12.5197368421053 Ref 11.6743421052632 Will 11.0625 So, yeah, it's not a _huge_ difference, but it's still there. I grouched at WotC some about it at the time and I think one of them actually really listened to what I said (I included a spreadsheet plotting every monster whose defenses was out of whack) so I have hopes that newer monster vaults will be better. Actually, here's a[URL="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AspswKmHUtyIdEVsaW1ucHdaaXEzZHdnRy1odm8tZ1E#gid=0"] copy of the spreadsheet[/URL] - note that this was prior to the MV errata (the abyssal ghoul hungerer is off, at a minimum) Also good for noting that minions tend to get too low defenses :) (and they're the ones who can least afford it - at least a brute has a hp cushion) [/QUOTE]
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