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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 4235883" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p>This is a thought that just occurred to me.</p><p></p><p>If you dm like me, and I think a lot of you do, when you have groups of the same kind of monster, you tend to have them move on the same initiative.</p><p></p><p>I think in 4e this will be more so, as groups of monsters is now the norm. Further, in 4e, tactical movement is very important, as there are lots of abilities that key of assistance from other monsters.</p><p></p><p>Take 3 gnolls for example with the pack attack ability (+1 to attack rolls for each ally adjacent). If you have them go on the same initiative, there are two ways it can go:</p><p></p><p>1) Each gnoll moves in on the PC one at a time and attacks. The first gets +0, second +1, and the third +2.</p><p></p><p>2) All 3 move in at once, and attack simultaneously. They all receive +2 to attacks (or perhaps 1 gets a +2, and 2 get a +1).</p><p></p><p>Obviously 2 is a more effective strategy for the dm, but is that how its supposed to work, or does 4e expect me to run the effects of each monster 1 at a time, even if its simultaneous?</p><p></p><p>Of course, you could always roll initiative for each monster, but I can tell you right now that is NOT going to happen<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 4235883, member: 5889"] This is a thought that just occurred to me. If you dm like me, and I think a lot of you do, when you have groups of the same kind of monster, you tend to have them move on the same initiative. I think in 4e this will be more so, as groups of monsters is now the norm. Further, in 4e, tactical movement is very important, as there are lots of abilities that key of assistance from other monsters. Take 3 gnolls for example with the pack attack ability (+1 to attack rolls for each ally adjacent). If you have them go on the same initiative, there are two ways it can go: 1) Each gnoll moves in on the PC one at a time and attacks. The first gets +0, second +1, and the third +2. 2) All 3 move in at once, and attack simultaneously. They all receive +2 to attacks (or perhaps 1 gets a +2, and 2 get a +1). Obviously 2 is a more effective strategy for the dm, but is that how its supposed to work, or does 4e expect me to run the effects of each monster 1 at a time, even if its simultaneous? Of course, you could always roll initiative for each monster, but I can tell you right now that is NOT going to happen:) [/QUOTE]
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