Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Monster identification
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Crusher" data-source="post: 5976178" data-attributes="member: 6697285"><p>Well, perhaps. The ritual is certainly specific to the OotS world, limiting its help in identifying the MitD. But in the OotS world is an extremely obscure and powerful ritual, known only by a very, very small number of people.</p><p></p><p>The ritual was known only by each High Priest of the Dark One and the divine half of the ritual had (according to Red Cloak) never been written down (and the copy of the arcane half the MitD saw may have been the only time the arcane half had been written down), so the MitD having previous experience with the ritual would be a bit of a surprise. If he did, it would perhaps suggest that he's not just an outsider but in fact a servitor of the Dark One of some sort (In fact, I've argued that the MitD could be a Pseudonatural Greater Barghast servitor of the Dark One which actually works fairly decently except that Dimension Door isn't a good answer for the Escape scene).</p><p></p><p>Alternatively, its possible the MitD has some sort of mind-reading ability, latent or otherwise and read Red Cloak's mind.</p><p></p><p>The simplest explanation, obviously, is that he made skill checks along the lines of what you suggest. But there are limitations to that argument. First, the MitD has said repeatedly that he's not a caster (though he's been wrong about plenty of other things. "Maybe I'm a kobold?" "You're too tall to be a kobold." "Maybe I'm two kobolds?"). </p><p></p><p>Even more telling, Xykon, who we *know* is an epic level caster with 24+ ranks in both Spellcraft and Knowledge (arcane) wasn't able to make heads or tails out of the ritual. Yet the MitD was able to wander up, glance at the arcane half, and instantly know that the problem was that it was only half of the ritual. To be fair, we also know that Xykon gets bored extremely fast. He may have taken one look at the ritual and before even making a skill check said to himself "Ah, screw this. I'll farm it out to Tsukiko to figure out." Tsukiko had both knowledge (arcane) and knowledge (religion) as a mystic theurge, but we only know that she had 6 or more ranks in both, making her knowledge level a much lower hurdle to get over.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Crusher, post: 5976178, member: 6697285"] Well, perhaps. The ritual is certainly specific to the OotS world, limiting its help in identifying the MitD. But in the OotS world is an extremely obscure and powerful ritual, known only by a very, very small number of people. The ritual was known only by each High Priest of the Dark One and the divine half of the ritual had (according to Red Cloak) never been written down (and the copy of the arcane half the MitD saw may have been the only time the arcane half had been written down), so the MitD having previous experience with the ritual would be a bit of a surprise. If he did, it would perhaps suggest that he's not just an outsider but in fact a servitor of the Dark One of some sort (In fact, I've argued that the MitD could be a Pseudonatural Greater Barghast servitor of the Dark One which actually works fairly decently except that Dimension Door isn't a good answer for the Escape scene). Alternatively, its possible the MitD has some sort of mind-reading ability, latent or otherwise and read Red Cloak's mind. The simplest explanation, obviously, is that he made skill checks along the lines of what you suggest. But there are limitations to that argument. First, the MitD has said repeatedly that he's not a caster (though he's been wrong about plenty of other things. "Maybe I'm a kobold?" "You're too tall to be a kobold." "Maybe I'm two kobolds?"). Even more telling, Xykon, who we *know* is an epic level caster with 24+ ranks in both Spellcraft and Knowledge (arcane) wasn't able to make heads or tails out of the ritual. Yet the MitD was able to wander up, glance at the arcane half, and instantly know that the problem was that it was only half of the ritual. To be fair, we also know that Xykon gets bored extremely fast. He may have taken one look at the ritual and before even making a skill check said to himself "Ah, screw this. I'll farm it out to Tsukiko to figure out." Tsukiko had both knowledge (arcane) and knowledge (religion) as a mystic theurge, but we only know that she had 6 or more ranks in both, making her knowledge level a much lower hurdle to get over. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Monster identification
Top