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<blockquote data-quote="seebs" data-source="post: 6456013" data-attributes="member: 61529"><p>No, I'm not buying that argument at all. It's not even really an argument. I mean, say they trimmed the PHB down to the same number of pages as the 1E PHB. They'd have to cut <strong>something</strong>. Whatever it was, though, would have been important enough to keep in the 320-page PHB. If they'd done a 400-page PHB, we'd have 80 more pages of material.</p><p></p><p>The cutoff is arbitrary. If they'd decided to do 50% less artwork, and use 1/4" less margin on each page, and use slightly tighter line spacing and a smaller font, we'd have maybe 20-30% more words. That wouldn't suddenly make the new material more important.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're committing the formal fallacy called "begging the question" here. Your argument that there shouldn't be more than one PHB is that if there's only one, the stuff that isn't in it isn't important enough to justify being in "a PHB". But that's circular. If we took it for granted that there would be two, then there would be things important enough to be in the second but not in the first. If we took it for granted that it'd be an 8-volume set, then there would be things that would show up in Volume 8. There's no magic to this. The cutoff is arbitrary in quantity, and there's no guarantee that the decisions made as to which things come first are the "right" decisions.</p><p></p><p>There is no actual <strong>difference</strong> between "PHB2" and some other supplemental book full of player-oriented material.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="seebs, post: 6456013, member: 61529"] No, I'm not buying that argument at all. It's not even really an argument. I mean, say they trimmed the PHB down to the same number of pages as the 1E PHB. They'd have to cut [b]something[/b]. Whatever it was, though, would have been important enough to keep in the 320-page PHB. If they'd done a 400-page PHB, we'd have 80 more pages of material. The cutoff is arbitrary. If they'd decided to do 50% less artwork, and use 1/4" less margin on each page, and use slightly tighter line spacing and a smaller font, we'd have maybe 20-30% more words. That wouldn't suddenly make the new material more important. You're committing the formal fallacy called "begging the question" here. Your argument that there shouldn't be more than one PHB is that if there's only one, the stuff that isn't in it isn't important enough to justify being in "a PHB". But that's circular. If we took it for granted that there would be two, then there would be things important enough to be in the second but not in the first. If we took it for granted that it'd be an 8-volume set, then there would be things that would show up in Volume 8. There's no magic to this. The cutoff is arbitrary in quantity, and there's no guarantee that the decisions made as to which things come first are the "right" decisions. There is no actual [b]difference[/b] between "PHB2" and some other supplemental book full of player-oriented material. [/QUOTE]
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