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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 4037087" data-attributes="member: 18">Um, what? At no point did I suggest that my game was "the world", nor that these represented the monsters everyone would wish to see cut. Quite the contrary. I mean, if you're going to say things like that, perhaps you could quote, instead of of misleading people?I could find games, I'm sure, where almost every monster in every MM/MC has played a very significant and long-running role. That's meaningless. So is your entirely anecdotal claim that you've seen X, Y and Z used well.Look what I said:Did you read that bit? I'll say it again for clarity: "I'm sure ENworld can produce anecdotes about all of them...". I put monsters I've gotten good use of on that list (Aranea, particularly), notice, because that's a list of the monsters I believe (however inaccurately) are relatively rarely used, without regard to whether I like them or not (admittedly, I hate Phantom Fungus <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />). Somebody somewhere gets good use out of every monster.That doesn't mean it needs to be in the MM1. There's only limited space in the MM1, and it needs to be used with "primary" monsters, not ones you see once in a few campaigns, and not ones that are used significantly only in one campaign in every few dozen. I know very well that your position is that you love obscure monsters, and that you love 3E and how you can apply a half-dozen templates to a monster, and that to you that's cool, but I don't understand your apparent assertion that the monsters I say can/should be cut from the MM1, shouldn't be. Well, dude, something is going to get cut? Should we cut the dragons so we can have Merfolk and Aranea?If you, like most people, including me, would keep a few things from my list, that's cool, but do you really think that my list doesn't include a very large amount of "trimmable" monsters? To be reintroduced later, sure, but not "basics" or "essentials" or "primary" monsters, or however one wants to put it. Please recall too, that it should be much easier to make up monsters in 4E than 3E.</blockquote>

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