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<blockquote data-quote="Engilbrand" data-source="post: 4037091" data-attributes="member: 44184"><p>I still don't get this idea that people have come up with of "If it's not explicitly in the stat block, then it doesn't exist." If it's in the flavor text as something that it can do, then it can do it. In 3.5, some people got nutty and said that flavor text didn't matter at all and only the stat block should be looked at. That works, but only up to a point. Think about the spell Rouse from the Spell Compendium. If I remember correctly, it was missing most of the stat block. But, the flavor text was something along the lines of "With a snap of your fingers, you awaken your allies." It was missing rules, but it was obvious what it did.</p><p>When it comes to the Pit Fiend, do they really need a part in the stat block that says "Every 99 years, the Pit Fiend can grant a wish."? In the stat block right next to its ability to control an ally and blow things up? I submit that it does not. It can easily be a line with the flavor text. It gives you the ability without being ridiculous about it.</p><p>I saw a great quote recently on here that I thought was perfect to this conversation.</p><p>If an NPC climbs a tree, and there are no PCs in the forest, do he have to roll?</p><p>The answer, of course, is no. Do you roll the checks for the blacksmith to make all of his weapons and armor? What about the Dwarves to craft their underground cities? No. Of course not. That's all just assumed to happen. Somehow, they do it. It's the same thing in 4E. Just because something doesn't give combat ready rules for its abilities doesn't mean that it doesn't have those abilities.</p><p>I agree that certain mundane things shouldn't be in the MM. A cat should never pose a threat to anything. Not even a first level Wizard. If you need stats for it, it would be simple to make them up. "Is it strong? No. Dextrous? Yes." Just do that until you're done. AND, it doesn't waste space that should have been used for a monster that the PCs will actually face.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Engilbrand, post: 4037091, member: 44184"] I still don't get this idea that people have come up with of "If it's not explicitly in the stat block, then it doesn't exist." If it's in the flavor text as something that it can do, then it can do it. In 3.5, some people got nutty and said that flavor text didn't matter at all and only the stat block should be looked at. That works, but only up to a point. Think about the spell Rouse from the Spell Compendium. If I remember correctly, it was missing most of the stat block. But, the flavor text was something along the lines of "With a snap of your fingers, you awaken your allies." It was missing rules, but it was obvious what it did. When it comes to the Pit Fiend, do they really need a part in the stat block that says "Every 99 years, the Pit Fiend can grant a wish."? In the stat block right next to its ability to control an ally and blow things up? I submit that it does not. It can easily be a line with the flavor text. It gives you the ability without being ridiculous about it. I saw a great quote recently on here that I thought was perfect to this conversation. If an NPC climbs a tree, and there are no PCs in the forest, do he have to roll? The answer, of course, is no. Do you roll the checks for the blacksmith to make all of his weapons and armor? What about the Dwarves to craft their underground cities? No. Of course not. That's all just assumed to happen. Somehow, they do it. It's the same thing in 4E. Just because something doesn't give combat ready rules for its abilities doesn't mean that it doesn't have those abilities. I agree that certain mundane things shouldn't be in the MM. A cat should never pose a threat to anything. Not even a first level Wizard. If you need stats for it, it would be simple to make them up. "Is it strong? No. Dextrous? Yes." Just do that until you're done. AND, it doesn't waste space that should have been used for a monster that the PCs will actually face. [/QUOTE]
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