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<blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 3047596" data-attributes="member: 172"><p>I think you are saying that I am complaining about a sin of commision when in fact I am complaining about a sin of omission. It's not the existence of a creature statted up without the psionic classes that concerns me. A mind flayer can be a sorcerer, and all the classed Githyanki that are in the MMIV are things I could use.</p><p></p><p>But, I have stood my ground against those who have attacked MMIV on the notion of including classed versions of existing creatures because I feel that generelly speaking, the classed creatures would make up a warband or team or tribe or what have you, that would be a challenging and rationally organized opposition for the players. It's just that the Githyanki lack that virtue by omitting one of their central schticks, thus I don't think they earn their stripes the way the other classes creatures do.</p><p></p><p>If I can't utilize the classed creatures in the book out of the box as a representative cross section of the opposition, then it seems to me that the MMIV has lost its major selling point on distributing creatures in that format.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You are going to strange lengths to mischaracterize me or make my position seem more extreme. Have I ever commented on WoL? Since I have not (indeed, I don't even own it), I think you are hardly in a position to contrast my viewpoints on a supposed contradiction when I have presented no viewpoints on WoL.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Psion, post: 3047596, member: 172"] I think you are saying that I am complaining about a sin of commision when in fact I am complaining about a sin of omission. It's not the existence of a creature statted up without the psionic classes that concerns me. A mind flayer can be a sorcerer, and all the classed Githyanki that are in the MMIV are things I could use. But, I have stood my ground against those who have attacked MMIV on the notion of including classed versions of existing creatures because I feel that generelly speaking, the classed creatures would make up a warband or team or tribe or what have you, that would be a challenging and rationally organized opposition for the players. It's just that the Githyanki lack that virtue by omitting one of their central schticks, thus I don't think they earn their stripes the way the other classes creatures do. If I can't utilize the classed creatures in the book out of the box as a representative cross section of the opposition, then it seems to me that the MMIV has lost its major selling point on distributing creatures in that format. You are going to strange lengths to mischaracterize me or make my position seem more extreme. Have I ever commented on WoL? Since I have not (indeed, I don't even own it), I think you are hardly in a position to contrast my viewpoints on a supposed contradiction when I have presented no viewpoints on WoL. [/QUOTE]
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