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Monster Manual IV - Good, Bad, or Indiferent?
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<blockquote data-quote="atom crash" data-source="post: 2983947" data-attributes="member: 22162"><p>I agree to an extent: a Monster Manual probably should be chock full of new monsters. However, that's not what I want. What I want is a book of existing monsters with class levels (possibly grouped around a central theme or environment), maps and ready-to-run encounters. Give me that, call it whatever you like. I don't need another book chock full of monsters when I won't ever be able to use all the monsters I currently have. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I flipped through a copy of the book yesterday and passed on it. I got a copy of the Fiendish Codex and 3 boosters of minis instead. I didn't see a single new monster in the book that I'd want to use. I wanted to get it for the monsters with levels and maps, but I couldn't justify spending the money for the book when half of it is full of new monsters I don't want and won't use. </p><p></p><p>Like many other DMs I own a metric ton of monster books, but I've only ever used a few monsters out of any book other than the Monster Manual. I was actually excited about maybe 10 entries in the MMIII (ambush drake, battlebriar, boneclaw, death blossom swarm, flind!, ibixian, kenku!, redcap, sussurus, thorn -- and many of these are 3.5 updates of older edition material). And despite my initial excitement about the Fiend Folio, I've only ever used a handful of creatures from that book (dark creeper and dark stalker, iron cobra, shadar-kai, spriggan, yellow musk zombie).</p><p></p><p>The name "Monster Manual" has traditionally been used with books containing a glut of new monsters (or monsters updated from an older edition sourcebook to the current edition of the game), so I can see how a book that deviates from that pattern might disappoint some people who expect a book full of new monsters. </p><p></p><p>But in all honesty I'm flabbergasted that so many players and DMs might still feel like there's a need for another book full of new monsters. Don't we have enough already? I certainly do. I get the coolness factor of new monsters, though, and I like seeing updated monsters as much as the next guy. But as much as I might like to see an update of the froghemoth, I'd never actually use it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Edit: Ok, so maybe "flabbergasted" is too strong a word; merely "surprised" is more like it. But "flabbergasted" is such a great word, no?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="atom crash, post: 2983947, member: 22162"] I agree to an extent: a Monster Manual probably should be chock full of new monsters. However, that's not what I want. What I want is a book of existing monsters with class levels (possibly grouped around a central theme or environment), maps and ready-to-run encounters. Give me that, call it whatever you like. I don't need another book chock full of monsters when I won't ever be able to use all the monsters I currently have. I flipped through a copy of the book yesterday and passed on it. I got a copy of the Fiendish Codex and 3 boosters of minis instead. I didn't see a single new monster in the book that I'd want to use. I wanted to get it for the monsters with levels and maps, but I couldn't justify spending the money for the book when half of it is full of new monsters I don't want and won't use. Like many other DMs I own a metric ton of monster books, but I've only ever used a few monsters out of any book other than the Monster Manual. I was actually excited about maybe 10 entries in the MMIII (ambush drake, battlebriar, boneclaw, death blossom swarm, flind!, ibixian, kenku!, redcap, sussurus, thorn -- and many of these are 3.5 updates of older edition material). And despite my initial excitement about the Fiend Folio, I've only ever used a handful of creatures from that book (dark creeper and dark stalker, iron cobra, shadar-kai, spriggan, yellow musk zombie). The name "Monster Manual" has traditionally been used with books containing a glut of new monsters (or monsters updated from an older edition sourcebook to the current edition of the game), so I can see how a book that deviates from that pattern might disappoint some people who expect a book full of new monsters. But in all honesty I'm flabbergasted that so many players and DMs might still feel like there's a need for another book full of new monsters. Don't we have enough already? I certainly do. I get the coolness factor of new monsters, though, and I like seeing updated monsters as much as the next guy. But as much as I might like to see an update of the froghemoth, I'd never actually use it. ;) Edit: Ok, so maybe "flabbergasted" is too strong a word; merely "surprised" is more like it. But "flabbergasted" is such a great word, no? [/QUOTE]
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