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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 9619050" data-attributes="member: 2209">I would disagree. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Balors in the 5e 13 MM are "Figures of ancient and terrible evil, balors rule as generals over demonic armies, yearning to seize power while destroying any creatures that oppose them[/B]." while "Vrocks are dull-witted, capricious fiends that live only to create pain and carnage". Mostly both are engines of carnage and destruction.So the big difference is general who likes to destroy versus mid level carnage demon. The role of general is different but more like having a hobgoblin general and a hobgoblin legionnaire.The situations where you would want to use a vrock or balor as a DM I would think are more likely to be based on CR and the fact that they are demons than the other specifics of the individual demon types.My first thought was as a DM having a demon summoner who can summon a demon of X CR, so you would want to have them together for flipping through to see details and compare specifics of ones with similar CRs (vrocks can fly, hezrou cannot, etc). If you are powerful enough to summon a vrock as your attack beast or guardian instead of a dretch you do so. If you are an archmage demon summoner and you can flat out summon a balor instead you would.Second situation I thought of would be something where a portal has allowed a demonic invasion so you want different types of demons of the appropriate CR for your chaotic horde. Third would be something in the abyss where you want demons to predominate but I would also generally expect mixes of demons and not just vrocks and only vrocks (although an aerial migration of a giant horde/flock of vrocks would also be cool).Since D&D does work to make demons a distinct thematic group for the blood war and for alignment and such compared to devils or yugoloths (yugoloths depending on edition), grouping them as such for the DM to use them as thematic groups makes more sense to me.It is good they have the table at the end, but it is less useful for trying to compare individual demons than if their entries were grouped together on the page.</blockquote>

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