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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 5237919" data-attributes="member: 48965"><p>I'm going to have to disagree here, especially as far as 4e is concerned. DDI is what I would use if I want a pure reference, with little to no fluff. The book is what I want to be able to sit down and read for inspiration and enjoyment... otherwise there is no point to me buying the book. Consumers like you are specifically catered to already with DDI, so why should both products be focused towards you. This is why I haven't bought MM2, what incentive is there without something beyond stat blocks (I can just use the compendium or adventure tools for that.)... this is also why, after hearing good things about MM3 I am actually interested in buying it.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>So where exactly should the "setting information" for monsters be presented. Contrary to what some believe, 4e D&D has a default setting which in turn has it's own fluff. I mean should the races in the PHB not have setting info, just stat blocks and powers, or what about the classes? Yet players and DM's have no problem reflavoring/reskinning classes and races to be different things, so I find it hard to believe that somehow it would be harder for monsters, especially since players shouldn't assume a DM is using a monster as is from the MM. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Again, that's exactly what DDI gives you... and I'm sorry but the Nentir Vale and many of it's assumptions were presented in the first 3 corebooks... 4e is not a totally generic toolkit.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Yes because scattering the information about your default setting across multiple books with no way to reference or index it is less confusing for new players (Sorry this is one of my major pet peeves with 4e... you change the entire cosmology and mythology of the game, but then make it difficult for players and DM's to get an understanding and overview of it). </p><p> </p><p>Sorry, but nothing forces you to buy more and more anything... FR and Eberron haven't required anything beyond two (three with the modules) books. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>DDI is your friend.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 5237919, member: 48965"] I'm going to have to disagree here, especially as far as 4e is concerned. DDI is what I would use if I want a pure reference, with little to no fluff. The book is what I want to be able to sit down and read for inspiration and enjoyment... otherwise there is no point to me buying the book. Consumers like you are specifically catered to already with DDI, so why should both products be focused towards you. This is why I haven't bought MM2, what incentive is there without something beyond stat blocks (I can just use the compendium or adventure tools for that.)... this is also why, after hearing good things about MM3 I am actually interested in buying it. So where exactly should the "setting information" for monsters be presented. Contrary to what some believe, 4e D&D has a default setting which in turn has it's own fluff. I mean should the races in the PHB not have setting info, just stat blocks and powers, or what about the classes? Yet players and DM's have no problem reflavoring/reskinning classes and races to be different things, so I find it hard to believe that somehow it would be harder for monsters, especially since players shouldn't assume a DM is using a monster as is from the MM. Again, that's exactly what DDI gives you... and I'm sorry but the Nentir Vale and many of it's assumptions were presented in the first 3 corebooks... 4e is not a totally generic toolkit. Yes because scattering the information about your default setting across multiple books with no way to reference or index it is less confusing for new players (Sorry this is one of my major pet peeves with 4e... you change the entire cosmology and mythology of the game, but then make it difficult for players and DM's to get an understanding and overview of it). Sorry, but nothing forces you to buy more and more anything... FR and Eberron haven't required anything beyond two (three with the modules) books. DDI is your friend. [/QUOTE]
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