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<blockquote data-quote="The Sigil" data-source="post: 952858" data-attributes="member: 2013"><p>Wrong. PI is any term, name, or whatever that the company wants to list, trademarked, copyrighted, or whatever. It is defined as such in the Open Game License.</p><p></p><p>As part of the OGL, you agree, when using another's OGC, not to use term on the list that that person has listed as PI. This is part of the "grant and consideration" inherent in the OGL. See my reply to you here in another thread for more details on why this is important:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=952830#post952830" target="_blank">Here is the rest of what you need regarding PI.</a></p><p></p><p>Again, note that the OGL specifically says, "you can call these thigns PI" - it doesn't say, "you can call these copyrighted things PI." </p><p></p><p>The moment you use someone else's OGC in a manner normally forbidden by copyright law (e.g., creating a derivative work, copying it, etc.), you agree to the terms of the OGL. The moment you agree to the OGL, you also agree not to mention things that the person listed as PI (even though copyright law allows you to do so). Whether or not the terms are copyrightable has no bearing on the matter.</p><p></p><p>As a simpler example:</p><p></p><p>I agree to give you five dollars. In return, you agree never to use the word "Sigil" in a post on ENWorld. Is this a valid contract? Yes... I gave you something of value (five bucks) and you gave me something of value (a guarantee that you personally will not dilute by use the word, "sigil" - which lack of dilution I value, for whatever odd reason).</p><p></p><p>If you take the five dollars, and then use the word "Sigil" in a post - even if you're referring to "a wizard's sigil" or "a word alphabetically between red and zebra" - even though copyright law allows you to do so (it's a name) - you are in breach of contract and you have to give me my five dollars back.</p><p></p><p>Similarly, if you take OGC, and then use a PI'd word in your work, you are in breach of contract and you have to give the OGC back (you stop using it). </p><p></p><p>Does that make it a little simpler?</p><p></p><p>--The Sigil</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Sigil, post: 952858, member: 2013"] Wrong. PI is any term, name, or whatever that the company wants to list, trademarked, copyrighted, or whatever. It is defined as such in the Open Game License. As part of the OGL, you agree, when using another's OGC, not to use term on the list that that person has listed as PI. This is part of the "grant and consideration" inherent in the OGL. See my reply to you here in another thread for more details on why this is important: [url="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=952830#post952830"]Here is the rest of what you need regarding PI.[/url] Again, note that the OGL specifically says, "you can call these thigns PI" - it doesn't say, "you can call these copyrighted things PI." The moment you use someone else's OGC in a manner normally forbidden by copyright law (e.g., creating a derivative work, copying it, etc.), you agree to the terms of the OGL. The moment you agree to the OGL, you also agree not to mention things that the person listed as PI (even though copyright law allows you to do so). Whether or not the terms are copyrightable has no bearing on the matter. As a simpler example: I agree to give you five dollars. In return, you agree never to use the word "Sigil" in a post on ENWorld. Is this a valid contract? Yes... I gave you something of value (five bucks) and you gave me something of value (a guarantee that you personally will not dilute by use the word, "sigil" - which lack of dilution I value, for whatever odd reason). If you take the five dollars, and then use the word "Sigil" in a post - even if you're referring to "a wizard's sigil" or "a word alphabetically between red and zebra" - even though copyright law allows you to do so (it's a name) - you are in breach of contract and you have to give me my five dollars back. Similarly, if you take OGC, and then use a PI'd word in your work, you are in breach of contract and you have to give the OGC back (you stop using it). Does that make it a little simpler? --The Sigil [/QUOTE]
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