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<blockquote data-quote="coyote6" data-source="post: 850169" data-attributes="member: 1225"><p>I don't think there's a problem with the dive attack language. Some creatures (the raven) have something like "Claws +4" as an attack listing -- that is, they make one attack roll (and, if successful, one damage roll) to use both their claws in a fight. Clearly, creatures like the raven can use "claw<strong>s</strong>" in a dive attack. </p><p></p><p>Other creatures get an attack with each claw; in most cases, they can't use both claws to attack during a dive, because the dive counts as a move action, which limits them to one standard action and thus one attack during their turn (that's the standard rule, and nothing in the description of a dive attack says that an exception is made). However, if there was a creature that could take a move action, then make multiple attacks, then such a creatures <em>could</em> use more than one claw attack in a dive attack, and would have the damage of each of those attacks doubled. Example of such hypothetical situations: an awakened eagle with levels in a prestige class that gives access to a Pounce-like ability (e.g., make a full attack after a charge).</p><p></p><p>(OTOH, maybe they meant for dive attacks to be like a lion's Pounce ability; if so, they worded it very poorly. 3.5e! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> )</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="coyote6, post: 850169, member: 1225"] I don't think there's a problem with the dive attack language. Some creatures (the raven) have something like "Claws +4" as an attack listing -- that is, they make one attack roll (and, if successful, one damage roll) to use both their claws in a fight. Clearly, creatures like the raven can use "claw[b]s[/b]" in a dive attack. Other creatures get an attack with each claw; in most cases, they can't use both claws to attack during a dive, because the dive counts as a move action, which limits them to one standard action and thus one attack during their turn (that's the standard rule, and nothing in the description of a dive attack says that an exception is made). However, if there was a creature that could take a move action, then make multiple attacks, then such a creatures [i]could[/i] use more than one claw attack in a dive attack, and would have the damage of each of those attacks doubled. Example of such hypothetical situations: an awakened eagle with levels in a prestige class that gives access to a Pounce-like ability (e.g., make a full attack after a charge). (OTOH, maybe they meant for dive attacks to be like a lion's Pounce ability; if so, they worded it very poorly. 3.5e! ;) ) [/QUOTE]
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