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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9365510" data-attributes="member: 93670">No I don't think that saying &quot;play patterns changed&quot; is completely accurate as being a root cause because there are a lot of system differences that complicate any simple comparison.&nbsp; &nbsp; Take the shift of remove paralysis from 1d4 to 4 targets going from 2e to 3.5, despite being more reliable it became more difficult to use if unprepared &amp; that explains that particular shift. Spell prep &amp; slot recovery in3.5 was simple but too varied to easily summarize now as much more than &quot;get someplace safe &amp; last till tomorrow&quot;; while still <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/what-spells-should-be-dropped.697557/post-9013509" target="_blank">complicated</a> in 2e it, was more like &quot;get someplace safe &amp; do some class specific stuff (study/pray/etc) for 10 minutes per spell level&quot;.&nbsp; Every edition since 2e has had rules that made changing &amp; recovering spell&nbsp; prep &amp; slots orders of magnitude more difficult than it was then... Yet in all of them the actual how it happens at the table is/was generally &quot;get somewhere safe &amp; the GM handwaves the details unless the GM thinks they matter in this situation or it's not as safe as you thought&quot;.Yes &quot;play patterns changed&quot; with stuff like henchmen, but changes to the system were often a more significant trigger for the changes than the other way around.&nbsp; There are a lot of things that I very much do not miss about 5e (including some of the ones 2014 unfortunately brought back), but the 2e resting &amp; recovery mechanics did have a lot of benefits &amp; the &quot;but what if unprepared for $LongProblem&quot;&nbsp; is a good one that not even 5e's prep style solves</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9365510, member: 93670"] No I don't think that saying "play patterns changed" is completely accurate as being a root cause because there are a lot of system differences that complicate any simple comparison. Take the shift of remove paralysis from 1d4 to 4 targets going from 2e to 3.5, despite being more reliable it became more difficult to use if unprepared & that explains that particular shift. Spell prep & slot recovery in3.5 was simple but too varied to easily summarize now as much more than "get someplace safe & last till tomorrow"; while still [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/what-spells-should-be-dropped.697557/post-9013509']complicated[/URL] in 2e it, was more like "get someplace safe & do some class specific stuff (study/pray/etc) for 10 minutes per spell level". Every edition since 2e has had rules that made changing & recovering spell prep & slots orders of magnitude more difficult than it was then... Yet in all of them the actual how it happens at the table is/was generally "get somewhere safe & the GM handwaves the details unless the GM thinks they matter in this situation or it's not as safe as you thought". Yes "play patterns changed" with stuff like henchmen, but changes to the system were often a more significant trigger for the changes than the other way around. There are a lot of things that I very much do not miss about 5e (including some of the ones 2014 unfortunately brought back), but the 2e resting & recovery mechanics did have a lot of benefits & the "but what if unprepared for $LongProblem" is a good one that not even 5e's prep style solves [/QUOTE]

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