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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 8410790" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p>It is absolutely possible they made some CR adjustments for low level creatures due to their new crit rules, or perhaps thought the grab was worth more. But even the healing of the attack is not all that crazy. A normal CR 4 has ~120 hp and that's with an AC of 14. This thing is dirt easy to hit, and any party with even just a club lying around is going to do double damage to this creature due to its bludgeoning vulnerability.</p><p></p><p>The healing looks really scary until you realize it takes a minimum of two rounds to activate that (and that's minimum, with a +3 attack you don't have a great chance to hit the party wizard let alone the front line, so statistically it will take more like 3 rounds to get a bite in), and meanwhile the party is going to be doing double damage in a lot of cases and are nigh guaranteed to hit... this horde will actually go down very quickly.</p><p></p><p>Don't get me wrong, I think its a cool monster, I just don't see it holding up to a CR4 weight class. CR 3 I could believe, CR2 this thing would be solidly scary, but 4 is pushing it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 8410790, member: 5889"] It is absolutely possible they made some CR adjustments for low level creatures due to their new crit rules, or perhaps thought the grab was worth more. But even the healing of the attack is not all that crazy. A normal CR 4 has ~120 hp and that's with an AC of 14. This thing is dirt easy to hit, and any party with even just a club lying around is going to do double damage to this creature due to its bludgeoning vulnerability. The healing looks really scary until you realize it takes a minimum of two rounds to activate that (and that's minimum, with a +3 attack you don't have a great chance to hit the party wizard let alone the front line, so statistically it will take more like 3 rounds to get a bite in), and meanwhile the party is going to be doing double damage in a lot of cases and are nigh guaranteed to hit... this horde will actually go down very quickly. Don't get me wrong, I think its a cool monster, I just don't see it holding up to a CR4 weight class. CR 3 I could believe, CR2 this thing would be solidly scary, but 4 is pushing it. [/QUOTE]
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