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<blockquote data-quote="paradox42" data-source="post: 3432176" data-attributes="member: 29746">Once again I will offer the suggestion that the &quot;average STR&quot; tables in the Bestiary, the ones relating to VSCs, should take into account ability score increases from the minimum (or average) HD that that particular size category has. In this giant's case, that would mean 166 above the current &quot;average,&quot; for 276 total. It still leaves open the possibility of abuse, true, but if you set minimum HD for a particular size at all, then shouldn't the ability score increases be part of the &quot;average&quot; scores for that size anyway? Even if it does break the original &quot;+10 per size&quot; progression? Whatever the new progression becomes, it should have a pattern that's still fairly easy to calculate since it's based on doubling HD for each size.Also, since the original point of VSCs was to say that when a critter gets STR to mimic the next size category, it gets the benefits, this prevents the VSCs from progressing in a purely linear manner- and may solve the known problem of high numbers of VSCs at very high ability scores in the first place.Perhaps I'll work out a table and see how the numbers work out, and whether they support this theory.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="paradox42, post: 3432176, member: 29746"] Once again I will offer the suggestion that the "average STR" tables in the Bestiary, the ones relating to VSCs, should take into account ability score increases from the minimum (or average) HD that that particular size category has. In this giant's case, that would mean 166 above the current "average," for 276 total. It still leaves open the possibility of abuse, true, but if you set minimum HD for a particular size at all, then shouldn't the ability score increases be part of the "average" scores for that size anyway? Even if it does break the original "+10 per size" progression? Whatever the new progression becomes, it should have a pattern that's still fairly easy to calculate since it's based on doubling HD for each size. Also, since the original point of VSCs was to say that when a critter gets STR to mimic the next size category, it gets the benefits, this prevents the VSCs from progressing in a purely linear manner- and may solve the known problem of high numbers of VSCs at very high ability scores in the first place. Perhaps I'll work out a table and see how the numbers work out, and whether they support this theory. [/QUOTE]

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