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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 4194590" data-attributes="member: 5889">Let's take a look at some of the regular monsters:Ice Archon (solider): It actually has a +23 attack, the +24 is only against bloodied targets. So that's level +4.Bodak (soldier): Level +5, has a -3 to attack rolls vs the fort save.War Devil (brute): Level + 3Pulling in some more monsters:Bodak Skulk (lurker, level 16, attack +21): Level +5, -3 attack for fort attack.Boneclaw (solider, lvl 14, attack +20): Level +6Chull (solider, level 10, attack +17): Level +7, -3 to fort attacks.Shadow Demon (skirmisher, level 11, attack +13 vs fort): Level +2, if we throw in a +3 against AC it would be level +5.From this slightly larger pool of data, we can see that level + bonus formula isn't perfect, though its not usually off by more than 2 or so. We can see that it definitely does not hold over the range of levels.I think this should show that we really can't say what is average yet with a handful of regular monsters.</blockquote>