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Message: <blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 5847150" data-attributes="member: 463">OT: IMO "Low Level" isn't really a meaningful concept in 4e; as opposed to "Low Heroic" or "Low Paragon".  There isn't really a direct comparison with prior editions.  In 1e AD&D you were clearly High Level at Name Level, 9th, so Low was roughly 1-4 'pre-fireball', Mid was the 5-8 'sweet spot'.  Although in the UK White Dwarf mag etc normally treated Low as 1-3 - 'Basic D&D' level, Mid as 4-6 - 'Isle of Dread' level, then High as 7-9, with 10+ Endgame, and that was more how I saw it.3e retained 1e etc's spell power levels, so despite claiming that High only started at 11+ it really worked the same as 1e-2e; 9th certainly feels High in 3e, at least if you're a spellcaster.If you look at who you typically fight in 4e compared to prior editions, low level foes like goblins, orcs, and gnolls go through roughly 1-7, by 8th you are routinely fighting mid level creatures like ogres & trolls, and high level creatures like giants come in as routine threats around 14th.  Epic is its own ballgame, corresponding roughly to 3e official Very High (16-20) and 3e Epic (21+).So, if you still want to use Low/Mid/High dissociated from Tier, I'd suggest:Low: 1-7Mid: 8-13High: 14-20Very High/Epic: 21+I think what this demonstrates though is that pre-4e 'Mid' level clearly straddles the start of Paragon Tier in 4e, making it less useful as a concept.Edit: Personally though, if I hear "Low Level" without context I read it as "Low Heroic" or around 1-4, effectively the same levels as in 1e-3e.  Certainly talk of 12th level as Low gives me a slight headache from the cognitive dissonance as I try to imagine Calastyx as a 'low level' threat(?!?!).IME at the London D&D Meetup if people discuss 'High Level' it means Paragon Tier, eg: "I'd like to run a Paragon Tier game, but it's hard to start players off at high level in 4e".</blockquote>

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