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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 5393315" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>I agree with most of the stuff concerning the changes between 3.X and 4e monsters and the ease of doing the stuff for the DM. I have experienced this myself and love how 4e does MONSTERS.</p><p></p><p>However, I wasn't the DM on this one, merely a player. The actions ended what was supposed to be a cool climactic game to 30th level.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps the DM handled this wrong, or maybe it was how the Players percieved it. I'll extrapolate in more detail with an explanation of what exactly happened.</p><p></p><p>The original plan back in August was to try to play for 30 sessions over 30 days, with a quick leveling scheme for a level per session. Well...we didn't quite do it in 30 days...but we had gotten up to level 24 near Thanksgiving Weekend.</p><p></p><p>It was based in Dark Sun. I was a Ranger with the Athasian Minstrel Theme. We had an Mul Arena Fighter with the Gladiator theme. Both me and the Fighter served a Warlord with the Noble Adept theme. However, we were normally on a mission for the City of Balic under a Templar. That character was actually a Warlock with the Templar theme, and the Sorcerer-King Pact. We also had a Thri-Keen Psion with the Elemental Priest theme.</p><p></p><p>Everything went well until the last mission. We felt the party was balanced alignment wise overall, and hadn't had problems despite the fact that the Templar was Evil, the Arena Fighter was unaligned, and the rest of us were good. We had our struggles, and were very nearly wiped out on several occasions (It was Dark Sun afterall) but with teamwork always survived.</p><p></p><p>The mission that came up was that we were to infiltrate a city and destroy a Sorcerer-Queen. That was pretty tough, actually really tough. It seemed to be simply a suggestion at the time by the Templar. For her explanation it was that the city was threatened by the Sorcerer Queen's forces, and that the diplomacy and voting rights of all could be threatened by her network of underhanded spies in Balic. This caused some other problems with the Dragon himself starting to threaten Balic unless someone stopped these machinations. </p><p></p><p>So we went to take out this Sorcerer-Queen. We got into the city, infiltrated the Palace, battled it up through the levels...and then we got a healing most of the way through. It appears the Templar had some sort of artifact that gave us a situation like we had a long rest, refreshing out powers, HP, and making it so we could go on when we had just about exhausted our resources...but still had a ways to go. We were told there was only one use (Daily Power of the Artifact...OR that it was an expendable).</p><p></p><p>So we finally make it to the throne room, do away with the Sorcerer-Queen and all the forces that were also in there in what was a HUGE climactic battle.</p><p></p><p>All Good...right?</p><p></p><p>That's when the fortunes turned. We were exhausted at that point, but we seemed victorious. At which point, the Templar ascended up the throne, seized the crown, and then used the artifact a SECOND TIME, but it ONLY refreshed her. She seized the city crown under the authority of Andropinis and ordered us all slain. Of course, it was basically just her and us at that point...and so we fought back.</p><p></p><p>Which led to the Mul being killed, the Noble unconscoius, and me and the Thri-Keen having to beat out of there before we too got killed. I managed to grab the Warlord, but the Thri-Keen beat it with 2 HP so really didn't have the strength to go across the room and grab anyone. We got out of there, but after that...then chaos reigned. The Mul player was actually okay with it, but the Warlord (also a girl) and the Thri-Keen Player stormed out of there.</p><p></p><p>They felt it was an unfair plot twist, especially because even after it was all said and done...we had done more damage to kill the Sorcerer-Queen/Templar of Andropinis when they were a PC, but obviously not after they healed and asceneded into the Sorcerer-Queen which was basically just something that happened in the moment.</p><p></p><p>After the ascension, the DM controlled the Templar Player's character as an NPC however...it appeared there was some behind the scenes work between the DM and the player.</p><p></p><p>Without those two...the campaign basically came to a halt and we haven't played since in Dark Sun or with that party. As far as I see it, that idea and game is now over. </p><p></p><p>I would say it is directly attributable to that incident, as that's what fired the players up.</p><p></p><p>So overall I agree with the entire Monsters and NOT PC's Idea...however in this instance it seems that perhaps for once that idea may not have been the best...or perhaps there is a better alternative to what the DM did.</p><p></p><p>Especially since we'll never finish up the 1-30th level idea now.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 5393315, member: 4348"] I agree with most of the stuff concerning the changes between 3.X and 4e monsters and the ease of doing the stuff for the DM. I have experienced this myself and love how 4e does MONSTERS. However, I wasn't the DM on this one, merely a player. The actions ended what was supposed to be a cool climactic game to 30th level. Perhaps the DM handled this wrong, or maybe it was how the Players percieved it. I'll extrapolate in more detail with an explanation of what exactly happened. The original plan back in August was to try to play for 30 sessions over 30 days, with a quick leveling scheme for a level per session. Well...we didn't quite do it in 30 days...but we had gotten up to level 24 near Thanksgiving Weekend. It was based in Dark Sun. I was a Ranger with the Athasian Minstrel Theme. We had an Mul Arena Fighter with the Gladiator theme. Both me and the Fighter served a Warlord with the Noble Adept theme. However, we were normally on a mission for the City of Balic under a Templar. That character was actually a Warlock with the Templar theme, and the Sorcerer-King Pact. We also had a Thri-Keen Psion with the Elemental Priest theme. Everything went well until the last mission. We felt the party was balanced alignment wise overall, and hadn't had problems despite the fact that the Templar was Evil, the Arena Fighter was unaligned, and the rest of us were good. We had our struggles, and were very nearly wiped out on several occasions (It was Dark Sun afterall) but with teamwork always survived. The mission that came up was that we were to infiltrate a city and destroy a Sorcerer-Queen. That was pretty tough, actually really tough. It seemed to be simply a suggestion at the time by the Templar. For her explanation it was that the city was threatened by the Sorcerer Queen's forces, and that the diplomacy and voting rights of all could be threatened by her network of underhanded spies in Balic. This caused some other problems with the Dragon himself starting to threaten Balic unless someone stopped these machinations. So we went to take out this Sorcerer-Queen. We got into the city, infiltrated the Palace, battled it up through the levels...and then we got a healing most of the way through. It appears the Templar had some sort of artifact that gave us a situation like we had a long rest, refreshing out powers, HP, and making it so we could go on when we had just about exhausted our resources...but still had a ways to go. We were told there was only one use (Daily Power of the Artifact...OR that it was an expendable). So we finally make it to the throne room, do away with the Sorcerer-Queen and all the forces that were also in there in what was a HUGE climactic battle. All Good...right? That's when the fortunes turned. We were exhausted at that point, but we seemed victorious. At which point, the Templar ascended up the throne, seized the crown, and then used the artifact a SECOND TIME, but it ONLY refreshed her. She seized the city crown under the authority of Andropinis and ordered us all slain. Of course, it was basically just her and us at that point...and so we fought back. Which led to the Mul being killed, the Noble unconscoius, and me and the Thri-Keen having to beat out of there before we too got killed. I managed to grab the Warlord, but the Thri-Keen beat it with 2 HP so really didn't have the strength to go across the room and grab anyone. We got out of there, but after that...then chaos reigned. The Mul player was actually okay with it, but the Warlord (also a girl) and the Thri-Keen Player stormed out of there. They felt it was an unfair plot twist, especially because even after it was all said and done...we had done more damage to kill the Sorcerer-Queen/Templar of Andropinis when they were a PC, but obviously not after they healed and asceneded into the Sorcerer-Queen which was basically just something that happened in the moment. After the ascension, the DM controlled the Templar Player's character as an NPC however...it appeared there was some behind the scenes work between the DM and the player. Without those two...the campaign basically came to a halt and we haven't played since in Dark Sun or with that party. As far as I see it, that idea and game is now over. I would say it is directly attributable to that incident, as that's what fired the players up. So overall I agree with the entire Monsters and NOT PC's Idea...however in this instance it seems that perhaps for once that idea may not have been the best...or perhaps there is a better alternative to what the DM did. Especially since we'll never finish up the 1-30th level idea now. [/QUOTE]
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