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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6595960" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>Yeah, my point is that there is not one thing that is "level equivalent" - levels have different values, things you get at various levels vary pretty wildly in how much direct combat oomph you get and there's clear precedent for levels that just give you something kind of useful, rather than something truly remarkable. Not all levels are created truly equal, and trading depth for breadth is something the game doesn't have a problem with. </p><p></p><p>Basically, a single level of wizard isn't <em>necessarily</em> a waste for a 19th level fighter, even if it doesn't escalate their attacks at all. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's actually not quite it, [MENTION=53980]Fanaelialae[/MENTION] - infusing potions, scrolls, and weapons/armor work like that, but Master Artificer is this:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>....so it just straight up <em>gives you magic items</em>. And while the item can be broken or stolen, you can just <em>make another one</em>. The design intent is clearly for you to have a magic item (or a few) around pretty much at all times as a piece of your equipment not unlike your weapon or your armor. </p><p></p><p>Again, the point being, there is no one absolute measurement of the value of a level. Levels are incomparables, their subjective value depends on many things, and saying that taking a level of X is basically always a less effective choice isn't really true - it's only less effective under certain specific criteria that may or may not be in play when the player is actually making the choice.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 6595960, member: 2067"] Yeah, my point is that there is not one thing that is "level equivalent" - levels have different values, things you get at various levels vary pretty wildly in how much direct combat oomph you get and there's clear precedent for levels that just give you something kind of useful, rather than something truly remarkable. Not all levels are created truly equal, and trading depth for breadth is something the game doesn't have a problem with. Basically, a single level of wizard isn't [I]necessarily[/I] a waste for a 19th level fighter, even if it doesn't escalate their attacks at all. That's actually not quite it, [MENTION=53980]Fanaelialae[/MENTION] - infusing potions, scrolls, and weapons/armor work like that, but Master Artificer is this: ....so it just straight up [I]gives you magic items[/I]. And while the item can be broken or stolen, you can just [I]make another one[/I]. The design intent is clearly for you to have a magic item (or a few) around pretty much at all times as a piece of your equipment not unlike your weapon or your armor. Again, the point being, there is no one absolute measurement of the value of a level. Levels are incomparables, their subjective value depends on many things, and saying that taking a level of X is basically always a less effective choice isn't really true - it's only less effective under certain specific criteria that may or may not be in play when the player is actually making the choice. [/QUOTE]
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