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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 7884514" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>I think you are overplaying <em>charm</em> abilities:</p><p></p><p>Charmed -> "A charmed creature can't attack the charmer or target the charmer with harmful abilities or magical effects. The charmer has advantage on any ability check to interact socially with the creature."</p><p></p><p>Dryad -> "<strong>Fey Charm.</strong> The dryad targets one humanoid or beast that she can see within 30 feet of her. If the target can see the dryad, it must succeed on a DC 14 Wisdom saving throw or be magically charmed. The charmed creature regards the dryad as a trusted friend to be heeded and protected. Although the target isn't under the dryad's control, it takes the dryad's requests or actions in the most favorable way it can. Each time the dryad or its allies do anything harmful to the target, it can repeat the saving throw, ending the effect on itself on a success. Otherwise, the effect lasts 24 hours or until the dryad dies, is on a different plane of existence from the target, or ends the effect as a bonus action. If a target's saving throw is successful, the target is immune to the dryad's Fey Charm for the next 24 hours. The dryad can have no more than one humanoid and up to three beasts charmed at a time."</p><p></p><p>No way being charmed takes a PC out of the battle. </p><p></p><p>First of all, you can still attack all other monsters, just not the one who charmed you.</p><p></p><p>Then, <em>the Dryad specifically</em> has the additional abilities of making the charmed target (1) wanting to <em>protect</em> her, and (2) trying to fulfill her <em>requests</em>. These don't apply to other charming monsters in general.</p><p></p><p>In no way the PC is forced by (1) to fight <em>against</em> the other PCs. Assuming the PCs are not an evil party, they are very likely "trusted friends" too, to the charmed PC will act as if two PCs had started fighting with each other... so why should he side with one against the other? The obvious outcome is that the charmed PC will try to <em>actively </em>stop the fight. What kind of person would sit there and watch two "trusted friends" try to kill each other?</p><p></p><p>Then the Dryad can try using (2) to improve her situation. Again, it is NOT enough to turn the PC against the others, because "the most favorable way it can" does not extend to attacking another trusted friend (again assuming a non-evil party). What she can try instead with (2) is to request something "please do not attack my other friends" (i.e. the other monsters). That can help her somehow, but if the other monsters keep attacking the PCs, the charmed PC is not going to just stand idle and watch, he'll resort to grappling or other non-lethal force. </p><p></p><p>I really don't think there is much chance for <em>charm</em> or <em>domination</em> to make a PC idle at all (domination CAN force the PC to go against his friends, but he'll definitely be still fighting), unless a specific monster's ability adds some extras that tell you that the target really can't do anything at all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 7884514, member: 1465"] I think you are overplaying [I]charm[/I] abilities: Charmed -> "A charmed creature can't attack the charmer or target the charmer with harmful abilities or magical effects. The charmer has advantage on any ability check to interact socially with the creature." Dryad -> "[B]Fey Charm.[/B] The dryad targets one humanoid or beast that she can see within 30 feet of her. If the target can see the dryad, it must succeed on a DC 14 Wisdom saving throw or be magically charmed. The charmed creature regards the dryad as a trusted friend to be heeded and protected. Although the target isn't under the dryad's control, it takes the dryad's requests or actions in the most favorable way it can. Each time the dryad or its allies do anything harmful to the target, it can repeat the saving throw, ending the effect on itself on a success. Otherwise, the effect lasts 24 hours or until the dryad dies, is on a different plane of existence from the target, or ends the effect as a bonus action. If a target's saving throw is successful, the target is immune to the dryad's Fey Charm for the next 24 hours. The dryad can have no more than one humanoid and up to three beasts charmed at a time." No way being charmed takes a PC out of the battle. First of all, you can still attack all other monsters, just not the one who charmed you. Then, [I]the Dryad specifically[/I] has the additional abilities of making the charmed target (1) wanting to [I]protect[/I] her, and (2) trying to fulfill her [I]requests[/I]. These don't apply to other charming monsters in general. In no way the PC is forced by (1) to fight [I]against[/I] the other PCs. Assuming the PCs are not an evil party, they are very likely "trusted friends" too, to the charmed PC will act as if two PCs had started fighting with each other... so why should he side with one against the other? The obvious outcome is that the charmed PC will try to [I]actively [/I]stop the fight. What kind of person would sit there and watch two "trusted friends" try to kill each other? Then the Dryad can try using (2) to improve her situation. Again, it is NOT enough to turn the PC against the others, because "the most favorable way it can" does not extend to attacking another trusted friend (again assuming a non-evil party). What she can try instead with (2) is to request something "please do not attack my other friends" (i.e. the other monsters). That can help her somehow, but if the other monsters keep attacking the PCs, the charmed PC is not going to just stand idle and watch, he'll resort to grappling or other non-lethal force. I really don't think there is much chance for [I]charm[/I] or [I]domination[/I] to make a PC idle at all (domination CAN force the PC to go against his friends, but he'll definitely be still fighting), unless a specific monster's ability adds some extras that tell you that the target really can't do anything at all. [/QUOTE]
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