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<blockquote data-quote="MarkB" data-source="post: 7979723" data-attributes="member: 40176"><p>It's a tough call on the deliberately failing a saving throw, but I'd say it would be entirely plausible if the caster presents it reasonably. The thing to remember about Charm effects specifically is that, while they give the target a new sense of loyalty to the caster, they do not override the character's existing loyalties. They will still consider their party members to be allies, close friends even, so if the cleric is casting what they claim to be a beneficial spell at them, they've got no reason to try and resist it.</p><p></p><p>Regarding it making things too easy, it is a fairly low-level spell to be countering Charm effects, but it's also one with limited utility aside from that, so it's not one that the party will necessarily pack on any typical day. If they do so in response to knowing what they're going up against, that's good planning.</p><p></p><p>Plus, is only <em>suppresses</em> the charm, it doesn't remove it, and it's a Concentration spell with a one-minute duration. It'll help the character out for the duration of one combat, but it leaves the caster unable to use any other Concentration spell, and may make them the focus of the opposition's attacks. And if two PCs are charmed, there's no way to help them both.</p><p></p><p>So basically, it is a solution, but it has enough downsides not to be too easy a solution.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MarkB, post: 7979723, member: 40176"] It's a tough call on the deliberately failing a saving throw, but I'd say it would be entirely plausible if the caster presents it reasonably. The thing to remember about Charm effects specifically is that, while they give the target a new sense of loyalty to the caster, they do not override the character's existing loyalties. They will still consider their party members to be allies, close friends even, so if the cleric is casting what they claim to be a beneficial spell at them, they've got no reason to try and resist it. Regarding it making things too easy, it is a fairly low-level spell to be countering Charm effects, but it's also one with limited utility aside from that, so it's not one that the party will necessarily pack on any typical day. If they do so in response to knowing what they're going up against, that's good planning. Plus, is only [I]suppresses[/I] the charm, it doesn't remove it, and it's a Concentration spell with a one-minute duration. It'll help the character out for the duration of one combat, but it leaves the caster unable to use any other Concentration spell, and may make them the focus of the opposition's attacks. And if two PCs are charmed, there's no way to help them both. So basically, it is a solution, but it has enough downsides not to be too easy a solution. [/QUOTE]
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