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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wulf Ratbane" data-source="post: 5066157" data-attributes="member: 94">My suggestion was not to include Weapon Finesse into CMB/CMD at all. <shrug>I still feel like 3e players are decrying the complexity of the rules one moment and yet demanding total transparency to every last bonus/penalty the next.What do you gain by knowing where the bonuses are derived from, if ultimately you're not going to sweat the small stuff?On the other hand I definitely see the advantage of making it "correct" if you're going to go through the effort of printing it in a book. I just don't want the extra information in the statblock to negatively impact usability. (It's a UI issue, really.)</blockquote>