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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 6132813" data-attributes="member: 92511"><p>No...they are not <em>any</em> variety of eladrin. They are a completely unnecessary rebranding and rewriting of <em>high elves</em> that, as the "cherry on top" of the sundae of unfathomable bad idea/poor judgement it was, were given the name.</p><p></p><p>Be <em>that </em>as it may, we'll carry on using your assertion...</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>In...what universe, exactly, does that follow any kind of logic? </p><p></p><p>If you can have one minotaur described one way and another about Krynnish ones...one paragraph about kender <shudder> and another about normal halflings...how, exactly, is it you couldn't have "god-hater" daemons from Planscape and other "god-serving [or dealing with or whatever the argument is now]" ones?</p><p></p><p>How?</p><p></p><p>In what fashion does the suggestion "not leave room for PS fans"?! I think...I can't be entirely sure...but I'm pretty sure you've just made [all of these pages across two threads of] Hussar's actual/original point. </p><p></p><p>Now, I myself would argue that NONE of this belongs in the MM...kender and sailor minotaur pcs belong in a Dragonlance setting book. Warforged belong in an Eberron setting book. "Yugoloths" (and Blood Wars and Sigils and whatever else) belong in a PS setting book with whatever lore exists for them <em>there</em>. End of story.</p><p></p><p>But if you're saying that these various setting options can be put in "core" [that is, in what will be the official Monster Manual for 5e] along with "traditional" minotaurs and halflings...then why can't/wouldn't Planescape daemons be put in with "traditional/non-PS" daemons?</p><p></p><p>The problem and I believe much of the argument Hussar is trying to get across is that there isn't really much traditional lore that is NOT Planescape because (I assume mostly due to understandable attempts at cross-marketing schemes) PS was permitted over the passed 20-some years to infiltrate and dictate core lore whereas other settings' conceits have/do not. And that, I agree, should not be permitted any moreso than any other setting's specific lore would be.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 6132813, member: 92511"] No...they are not [I]any[/I] variety of eladrin. They are a completely unnecessary rebranding and rewriting of [I]high elves[/I] that, as the "cherry on top" of the sundae of unfathomable bad idea/poor judgement it was, were given the name. Be [I]that [/I]as it may, we'll carry on using your assertion... In...what universe, exactly, does that follow any kind of logic? If you can have one minotaur described one way and another about Krynnish ones...one paragraph about kender <shudder> and another about normal halflings...how, exactly, is it you couldn't have "god-hater" daemons from Planscape and other "god-serving [or dealing with or whatever the argument is now]" ones? How? In what fashion does the suggestion "not leave room for PS fans"?! I think...I can't be entirely sure...but I'm pretty sure you've just made [all of these pages across two threads of] Hussar's actual/original point. Now, I myself would argue that NONE of this belongs in the MM...kender and sailor minotaur pcs belong in a Dragonlance setting book. Warforged belong in an Eberron setting book. "Yugoloths" (and Blood Wars and Sigils and whatever else) belong in a PS setting book with whatever lore exists for them [I]there[/I]. End of story. But if you're saying that these various setting options can be put in "core" [that is, in what will be the official Monster Manual for 5e] along with "traditional" minotaurs and halflings...then why can't/wouldn't Planescape daemons be put in with "traditional/non-PS" daemons? The problem and I believe much of the argument Hussar is trying to get across is that there isn't really much traditional lore that is NOT Planescape because (I assume mostly due to understandable attempts at cross-marketing schemes) PS was permitted over the passed 20-some years to infiltrate and dictate core lore whereas other settings' conceits have/do not. And that, I agree, should not be permitted any moreso than any other setting's specific lore would be. [/QUOTE]
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