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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6134255" data-attributes="member: 2067">I'm with you, man.The difference, as far as the original non-PS version of the critter goes, is that you will not see a vrock and an erinyes working together. You WILL find a vrock and a mezzodemon working together, and you will find an erinyes and a mezzodemon working together. Mezzodemons will work with anyone to forward the cause of evil. The difference for the PS version of the critter is that when you find a mezzodemon working with your opposition, you suddenly have to wonder whether or not there's something much bigger at work than someone summoning fiends. Mezzodemons are mercenary, and because they're yugoloths, you can be assured that the presence of one is indicative of something non-obvious going on. My own view is just that this lore shouldn't be explicitly contradicted. It doesn't have to be mentioned -- the metaplot information, IMO, is not essential to the fun of a yugoloth in any given game (which the entire thread before you got here was dedicated to talking about). However, it's essential to the fun of yugoloths in certain specific games, and since D&D NEXT is supposed to be able to run any particular D&D game, it needs to be able to run a game where this metaplot information is true, without changing what the creature is. I would! But yugoloths don't have much unique lore in 4e. They're demons. So to unify the lore: for a brief time, the yugoloths were only hired by the demons because (some reason, like the Devils suddenly being forbidden from hiring them, or something), perhaps. And in some games, that can still be the case.I agree, but you've gotta realize that this isn't the actual justification in this case, or in most cases. Before you came to the thread, we were busy talking about what DOES justify yugoloths, on their own merits.And, not for the first time, I feel like I'm asking someone to read and understand what has come before, if they want to give good commentary on where things should go in the future.</blockquote>

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