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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6137823" data-attributes="member: 2067">I'm with you here.Where you lose me is when you posit that there's some shadowy conspiracy of PS fans whose only goal is to force PS lore down your throat. It goes back to something you posted earlier, about the lore needing to be good lore to be kept.Turns out, PS planar lore is some of the best lore written for the Great Wheel...in fact, some of the best lore ever written for the D&D game, IMO. And even if you don't agree with that obvious fanboi opinion, it is widely agreed, and reflected in your own polling data, that PS lore is quite good lore. So if you're taking my recommendation of "maximal lore," preserving all models where possible without contradiction, the PS lore doesn't get invalidated. It might not get explicitly referenced -- lore is referenced only as needed, and most games involving Yugoloths take place on the material world where their backstory doesn't matter much. But PS lore and 1e lore don't often contradict, either, and where they do, it's probably still possible to preserve both models in most cases by allowing both things to be true.</blockquote>