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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 6025747" data-attributes="member: 1465">I meant &quot;scaled monsters&quot; = a monster that has more or less only inflated numbers, which is the case in 3ed rules when you advance a monster just by increasing its number of hit dice and consequently its HP, ability scores, BAB, ST, DC of its special abilities... (the exception being feats, where at least you can pick different ones).Instead, in the case of the orcs example, I wouldn't call them simply &quot;scaled&quot;, because by adding class levels I am adding actual additional abilities. Maybe I choose to just add fighter levels (that's clearly the least interesting case) but maybe instead I add barbarian levels to the guards, rogue levels to the elite guards and ranger levels to the boss. There's truly a lot more variety.The comparison is based on my 3e experience. In 4e it might be completely different if you advance monster always by picking additional abilities, and even more if the pool to choose from is the same as for PC (but I have no idea...).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 6025747, member: 1465"] I meant "scaled monsters" = a monster that has more or less only inflated numbers, which is the case in 3ed rules when you advance a monster just by increasing its number of hit dice and consequently its HP, ability scores, BAB, ST, DC of its special abilities... (the exception being feats, where at least you can pick different ones). Instead, in the case of the orcs example, I wouldn't call them simply "scaled", because by adding class levels I am adding actual additional abilities. Maybe I choose to just add fighter levels (that's clearly the least interesting case) but maybe instead I add barbarian levels to the guards, rogue levels to the elite guards and ranger levels to the boss. There's truly a lot more variety. The comparison is based on my 3e experience. In 4e it might be completely different if you advance monster always by picking additional abilities, and even more if the pool to choose from is the same as for PC (but I have no idea...). [/QUOTE]

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