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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ferratus" data-source="post: 5778189" data-attributes="member: 55966">I don't understand Dragons being considered watered down.   In 4e they have the same rechargeable breath weapons, multiple attacks, and great defenses that they've always had.  I can see an argument for them being too powerful, but not watered down.    It is hard to imagine a setting like Dragonlance with the stats of 4e dragons, but you could see a 1e dragon being cowed by a strong rider.   Rot Grubs recovered their mojo in 4e as well, and are my favourite 4e monster.   You really feel like you are being eaten alive by a 4e rot grub.I pretty much agree on the rest, save that single element elementals did eventualy (and bregrudingly) come back late in 4e's run.  I didn't mind archons myself, since they filled the same role, but I understand why it would upset a purist.</blockquote>