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<blockquote data-quote="Shayuri" data-source="post: 539772" data-attributes="member: 4936">This is how I've always understood ECL races, based on the discussion of it in the FRCS.The ECL of a race is not considered &quot;levels&quot; for any purpose other than exp needed to level in a class, and for equipment.A 1st level drow (ECL+2) gets a 1st level feat. Not a 3rd level too.A 3rd level tiefling (ECL+1) rogue gets no bonus stat point until he's 4rth level (and ECL 5).The raw number of ECL bonus doesn't affect this basic truism, I wouldn't think. An Astral Deva (ECL +22) with a single level of fighter would be considered a level 23 character for fundage and exp to gain another level. It would have all the abilities of a 'baseline' Astral Deva, including any feats and skills that they're entitled to based on the Monster Manual's rules. Then, on top of that, it would get the 1st level feat, the fighter bonus feat, an additional d10 hit dice, and the attack and save bonuses due a level 23 character (the level of fighter is effectively an 'epic' level).Admittedly, I do hope Savage Species clears the muddle up once and for all. It's one of the more confusing core issues remaining...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shayuri, post: 539772, member: 4936"] This is how I've always understood ECL races, based on the discussion of it in the FRCS. The ECL of a race is not considered "levels" for any purpose other than exp needed to level in a class, and for equipment. A 1st level drow (ECL+2) gets a 1st level feat. Not a 3rd level too. A 3rd level tiefling (ECL+1) rogue gets no bonus stat point until he's 4rth level (and ECL 5). The raw number of ECL bonus doesn't affect this basic truism, I wouldn't think. An Astral Deva (ECL +22) with a single level of fighter would be considered a level 23 character for fundage and exp to gain another level. It would have all the abilities of a 'baseline' Astral Deva, including any feats and skills that they're entitled to based on the Monster Manual's rules. Then, on top of that, it would get the 1st level feat, the fighter bonus feat, an additional d10 hit dice, and the attack and save bonuses due a level 23 character (the level of fighter is effectively an 'epic' level). Admittedly, I do hope Savage Species clears the muddle up once and for all. It's one of the more confusing core issues remaining... [/QUOTE]

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