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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 5921438" data-attributes="member: 42582">It seems to me that you're running together the player and the GM roles.The players build and play PCs. These can be as detailed as you like. I happen to like Rolemaster, but I'm also coming to like 4e quite a bit.The GM build and runs situations. These situations include, over the life of the campaign, dozens and dozens of monsters. They are not PCs. They don't have the same screen time. They are not run by me with the same mechanical care and devotion (given that at any one time I'm probably running mutiples of them).Monster stat blocks, for me, are not character creation tools. They are story elements expressed mechanically. If I can't read it and run it, it's not doing it's job. If I want to create my own story elements expressed mechanically, I don't need to buy a Monster Manual!To echo [MENTION=87792]Neonchameleon[/MENTION] (with whom I seem to be agreeing a lot lately!), this suggests that you're not that familiar with the 4e Monster Manuals.I haven't used any orcs in my 4e game, but I've used lots of goblins, hobgoblins and gnolls. And the MM entries for these are excellent. Especially gnolls. My PCs have probably fought over a dozen gnolls, and I suspect I've never had to duplicate a stat block more than two or three times - I have gnoll hunters, gnoll archers, gnoll flesheaters, disease spreading gnoll mystics of Yeenoghu (I can't remember their official name at present), gnoll skulkers, and a host of other gnolls. Plus hyenas. Plus a system where it was very easy to stat up a hyena pack (as a swarm) when I needed one.Hobgoblins are similar in diversity, and with their phalanx tactics and resilience play very differently from gnolls. Goblins too.These are far and away the best monters books I've encountered for an RPG.</blockquote>

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