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<blockquote data-quote="SHARK" data-source="post: 137295" data-attributes="member: 1131"><p>Greetings!</p><p></p><p>Mistwell wrote:</p><p></p><p>Quote:</p><p></p><p>"The title of this thread, "Monsters, Women, Glory, and Gold!", along with part of the description stating "voluptuous and beautiful women, who are also often terrifyingly dangerous as they are seductive" is (here it comes) very sexist, sterotypical, and the kind of thing I was hoping was finally, at last, gone from this game. </p><p></p><p>It's exactly the kind of statement that makes some (not all) women turn away from this game. It makes some (not all) women feel alienated, and unwelcome."</p><p>____________________________________________________</p><p>End Quote.</p><p></p><p>(SHARK chomps violently at the air, before lighting up a fine cigar!)</p><p></p><p>Well, Mistwell, the description of the women characters was a obviously demonstrable allusion to the women opponents that Conan often faced off against. As to being sexist, etc, etc, well, Robert E. Howard was himself very different from men today. Mr. Howard lived and wrote in the 1920's and into the early and mid 1930's. That was obviously a good seventy years ago. Thus, the allusion is simply accurate to the CONAN ENVIRONMENT. It won't set well with arch-feminists at all. I don't think it was expressly meant to. Besides, in speaking of the CONAN ENVIRONMENT, I don't really think someone that concerned with political correctness would even be interested in reading Conan.</p><p></p><p>One could make a case though for very strong and capable women as allies to Conan, throughout many stories. Beyond this, there are some problems, Mistwell.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>I wrote such specifically and conscious of the CONAN ENVIRONMENT. You are reading far too much into what *I* wrote, as I didn't say any such things. My thread has not a thing to do with sexism, oppression of women, blah, blah, blah. You have to really get the Lego set out to build such an argument from what I wrote.</p><p></p><p>Next, if "women", somewhere, somehow, *out there* are so hyper-sensitive and shallow as to *avoid playing D&D* because of *My Thread*--then, really, too bad. Good. I didn't write the thread with such politically correct baggage in mind. I'm not out to save the frippin world, nor am I out to somehow recruit every woman possible to play a damn game. It's just pouring way too much socio-political ideology into the game, in my opinion. </p><p></p><p>My enjoyment of playing D&D, enjoying the CONAN ENVIRONMENT, and blending elements as desired, to play a fun game, has not a whit to do with how I personally regard my wife in particular, women who play in my game, or women in general. And if there are women who can't separate the difference, then I wouldn't imagine many people wanting them to play anyways. I certainly wouldn't welcome them to play in my group. And ultimately, it displays that they have far deeper issues to deal with than a intellectual thread dealing with a role-playing game focused on a fantasy environment.</p><p></p><p>Cheers! (You did ask for it, Mistwell!<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />)</p><p></p><p>Semper Fidelis,</p><p></p><p>SHARK</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SHARK, post: 137295, member: 1131"] Greetings! Mistwell wrote: Quote: "The title of this thread, "Monsters, Women, Glory, and Gold!", along with part of the description stating "voluptuous and beautiful women, who are also often terrifyingly dangerous as they are seductive" is (here it comes) very sexist, sterotypical, and the kind of thing I was hoping was finally, at last, gone from this game. It's exactly the kind of statement that makes some (not all) women turn away from this game. It makes some (not all) women feel alienated, and unwelcome." ____________________________________________________ End Quote. (SHARK chomps violently at the air, before lighting up a fine cigar!) Well, Mistwell, the description of the women characters was a obviously demonstrable allusion to the women opponents that Conan often faced off against. As to being sexist, etc, etc, well, Robert E. Howard was himself very different from men today. Mr. Howard lived and wrote in the 1920's and into the early and mid 1930's. That was obviously a good seventy years ago. Thus, the allusion is simply accurate to the CONAN ENVIRONMENT. It won't set well with arch-feminists at all. I don't think it was expressly meant to. Besides, in speaking of the CONAN ENVIRONMENT, I don't really think someone that concerned with political correctness would even be interested in reading Conan. One could make a case though for very strong and capable women as allies to Conan, throughout many stories. Beyond this, there are some problems, Mistwell.:) I wrote such specifically and conscious of the CONAN ENVIRONMENT. You are reading far too much into what *I* wrote, as I didn't say any such things. My thread has not a thing to do with sexism, oppression of women, blah, blah, blah. You have to really get the Lego set out to build such an argument from what I wrote. Next, if "women", somewhere, somehow, *out there* are so hyper-sensitive and shallow as to *avoid playing D&D* because of *My Thread*--then, really, too bad. Good. I didn't write the thread with such politically correct baggage in mind. I'm not out to save the frippin world, nor am I out to somehow recruit every woman possible to play a damn game. It's just pouring way too much socio-political ideology into the game, in my opinion. My enjoyment of playing D&D, enjoying the CONAN ENVIRONMENT, and blending elements as desired, to play a fun game, has not a whit to do with how I personally regard my wife in particular, women who play in my game, or women in general. And if there are women who can't separate the difference, then I wouldn't imagine many people wanting them to play anyways. I certainly wouldn't welcome them to play in my group. And ultimately, it displays that they have far deeper issues to deal with than a intellectual thread dealing with a role-playing game focused on a fantasy environment. Cheers! (You did ask for it, Mistwell!:)) Semper Fidelis, SHARK [/QUOTE]
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