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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 5690272" data-attributes="member: 48965">Uhm... yes, I do. Can you honestly tell me that the 4e developers/designers didn't realize totally revamping the cosmology would displease people? Was there not a specific statement to the effect of this game isn't for people who like traisping around in fairy rings? Like you said no edition will be 100% pleasing to everyone, and since we know that your first statement seems illogical. The thing is that they were hoping enough people (or enough new people) would enjoy their new cosmology enough to make up for those who didn't.  Unless of course the customers they loss spend significantly more money on product than those they currently have. We have no figures so we really don't know how this situation is looking to WotC. You're assuming they are happy (or at least content) with their customer base right now to the point that they are not willing to risk a significant part of it in order to bring others back into the fold. IMO, this just doesn't fit with the way in which 4e was rolled out. I mean maybe they learned a lesson or something but you may be attributing more value to the 4e customer base than WotC is.   They tried the "evoking" route with essentials, and there's no evidence it brought a significant chunk of Pathfinder/3.5 players back to 4e (though in full disclosure I play essentials and PF now.). No I think when it boils down to it there is a significant chunk of the former player base that don't particularly care for many of the base assumptions of the 4e core engine... and that won't be fixed with evoking former editions. Do I think they will make a warmed over 3.5? No. Do I think the next iteration of the game will go bvack to some core assumption based around 3.5/PF play vs. 4e play... I think it's very likely even if the core engine is neither 4e or 3.5. Do I think 5e will build on 4e... no, not really. I honestly don't think 4e (and I'm not counting boardgames and other stuff... just the rpg) is doing well enough to constitute continuing with it. I do think they will keep DDI up as a source of revenue from 4e players but mostly for the web tools.  I don't agree with A. but definitely agree with B, especially after the skill challenge math fiasco that has been a part of 4e since launch.  But to each his own.</blockquote>

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