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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thornir Alekeg" data-source="post: 4165401" data-attributes="member: 15651">Obviously this is very much dependent upon the definition of success.I think the interest in WotC products will allow 4e to remain a success even without 3rd party support, probably no worse than 3e has been and perhaps even better.  Of course I am talking about success from WotC's perspective.The difference is that without 3rd party products, 4e won't be as vibrant. People will play the game, enjoy the game, but those who do not have the time/drive/creativity to create their own material will have no choice but to stick with whatever WotC is feeding them.  Some will be dissatisfied quickly with that and will leave the 4e fold, while others will take what they can get.  A lot would depend upon how good WotC would be at putting out different offerings for people with different tastes, or who are just looking for variety.If there is no 3rd party stuff and WotC were to take the Henry Ford stance of "You can have it in any color, as long as it's black," then I would not put a lot of stock in the long-term success of 4e.</blockquote>