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<blockquote data-quote="Pielorinho" data-source="post: 521850" data-attributes="member: 259"><p>Okay, now I'm worried.</p><p></p><p>Last night's gaming session ended with a big battle from this adventure.</p><p></p><p>The PCs, levels 9-10, fought a ghostly adult black dragon, CR 12.</p><p></p><p>CR 12?</p><p></p><p>CR 12. That's CR 13 for being an adult black dragon, plus 2 for being a ghost. 13+2=12, apparently.</p><p></p><p>I figured I was missing something, that dragons must actually be weakened somehow by being ghostified. Nope! Especially not since this dragon has the unique ability to drain 1 STR and 1 CON with each hit.</p><p></p><p>By the end of the battle, which lasted I think 4 rounds, one PC was unconscious, one was close to unconscious, and one had survived only by hiding. The dragon had taken maybe 15 points of damage.</p><p></p><p>Complaints aside, here's my question. The adventure's culmination involves fighting this ghost-dragon on the ethereal plane. On the bright side, this means that it'll be corporeal and weapons will therefore hit it. On the down side, in addition to doing the 1Str, 1Con damage with each hit, it'll also do normal dragon damage with each hit. Plus it'll have a dragon's absurd AC. Plus it'll be fighting from a pool of acid, into which it can pull opponents.</p><p></p><p>My question is this: how the bejesus do I tone down a ghostly adult black dragon such that 3 (maybe 4) PCs of levels 9-10 have a prayer of taking it out? Right now, it looks like a high-end CR 15 creature (CR 16 or 17, if you think dragons are undervalued by their CR), and with the pool of acid from which to fight, it's close to EL 16 or 17, I'd say. I wanna tone that bastard down.</p><p></p><p>Thanks for any help!</p><p>Daniel</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pielorinho, post: 521850, member: 259"] Okay, now I'm worried. Last night's gaming session ended with a big battle from this adventure. The PCs, levels 9-10, fought a ghostly adult black dragon, CR 12. CR 12? CR 12. That's CR 13 for being an adult black dragon, plus 2 for being a ghost. 13+2=12, apparently. I figured I was missing something, that dragons must actually be weakened somehow by being ghostified. Nope! Especially not since this dragon has the unique ability to drain 1 STR and 1 CON with each hit. By the end of the battle, which lasted I think 4 rounds, one PC was unconscious, one was close to unconscious, and one had survived only by hiding. The dragon had taken maybe 15 points of damage. Complaints aside, here's my question. The adventure's culmination involves fighting this ghost-dragon on the ethereal plane. On the bright side, this means that it'll be corporeal and weapons will therefore hit it. On the down side, in addition to doing the 1Str, 1Con damage with each hit, it'll also do normal dragon damage with each hit. Plus it'll have a dragon's absurd AC. Plus it'll be fighting from a pool of acid, into which it can pull opponents. My question is this: how the bejesus do I tone down a ghostly adult black dragon such that 3 (maybe 4) PCs of levels 9-10 have a prayer of taking it out? Right now, it looks like a high-end CR 15 creature (CR 16 or 17, if you think dragons are undervalued by their CR), and with the pool of acid from which to fight, it's close to EL 16 or 17, I'd say. I wanna tone that bastard down. Thanks for any help! Daniel [/QUOTE]
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