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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 5696357" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>As it currently stands, the 4e skill system really encourages that behavior, though. If you're not optimized, you're better off not contributing, since you can just not do anything and not rack up a failure.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, if he has invested in Intimidate, he is presumably not un-optimized. He WOULD contribute in that situation, and as equally as a bard or rogue might.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I was taking as a starting point your hypothetical stupid barbarian who would sit out an investigation because he had nothing to contribute.</p><p></p><p>If the hypothetical stupid barbarian DOES have something to contribute, he won't be sitting it out. Everyone would contribute, perhaps even equally.</p><p></p><p>Which is a problem for some folks in the thread. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>Alternately, you could let the barbarian suck, and make his suck-age fun for the entire party to try and overcome, because sometimes, it's fun to suck at something, in order to rock the house at something else. Perhaps in combat, it is the rogue or the bard who sucks. (This type of "balance" would be similar to early-edition balance, with some of the attendant problems: e.g.: A social-heavy campaign rules out the barbarian warrior as an effective character type. That might be OK, though. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 5696357, member: 2067"] As it currently stands, the 4e skill system really encourages that behavior, though. If you're not optimized, you're better off not contributing, since you can just not do anything and not rack up a failure. Well, if he has invested in Intimidate, he is presumably not un-optimized. He WOULD contribute in that situation, and as equally as a bard or rogue might. I was taking as a starting point your hypothetical stupid barbarian who would sit out an investigation because he had nothing to contribute. If the hypothetical stupid barbarian DOES have something to contribute, he won't be sitting it out. Everyone would contribute, perhaps even equally. Which is a problem for some folks in the thread. :) Alternately, you could let the barbarian suck, and make his suck-age fun for the entire party to try and overcome, because sometimes, it's fun to suck at something, in order to rock the house at something else. Perhaps in combat, it is the rogue or the bard who sucks. (This type of "balance" would be similar to early-edition balance, with some of the attendant problems: e.g.: A social-heavy campaign rules out the barbarian warrior as an effective character type. That might be OK, though. :)) [/QUOTE]
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