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<blockquote data-quote="Janx" data-source="post: 5937048" data-attributes="member: 8835">Rolling a die is EXACTLY where the debate begins between players and GM.&nbsp; Now obviously, the buck stops at the GM, but the players are going to object and wheedle against any resolution proposal by the GM that they think doesn't resolve it properly.By properly, we mean, in a way the players think gives them an advantage, properly a rightful advantage.Take this other quote:The DM is making a decision off the cuff on whether the NPC just happens to have Dispel Magic, because he didn't fully flesh out the NPC before hand.&nbsp; The question comes up, most likely because the PCs are trying to hurt him and thus they are deeply invested in wanting the reality where he doesn't have the spell.So, once again, the nature of how the GM chooses to resolve or determine the outcome and nature of reality can be hotly contested by the players.The players would prefer the NPC's spell list be set before combat, so that the DM can't invent counters to what the PCs do by virture of it having not been defined yet.&nbsp; Barring crappy DMs who just do crappy things, even a good DM, who adlibs may subconciously bias his adlibbing creations.&nbsp; [MENTION=4937]Celebrim[/MENTION] had a whole slew of Shroedinger's fine products and what was wrong with them in a thread from a while back.Getting back to that earthquake.&nbsp; The GM decides to just use a 50/50 chance to see if the PC survives.&nbsp; The player balks at that, because they used to live in LA, and they know their animal companion would have sensed it first, the PC is really strong so could have held up a ceiling, the PC is really fast and could have rushed to a door frame, the house's materials aren't even that heavy to do much damage, the PC's dwarvish background would have indicated this structure was earthquake-resilient anyway, and so on.&nbsp; To the player, this whole situation needs a more complex and comprehensive resolution mechanic.&nbsp; Possibly even multiple rolls to simulate all the factors that are going on.Suffice it to say, the act of a DM &quot;just deciding&quot; is a major source of rules debates.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Janx, post: 5937048, member: 8835"] Rolling a die is EXACTLY where the debate begins between players and GM. Now obviously, the buck stops at the GM, but the players are going to object and wheedle against any resolution proposal by the GM that they think doesn't resolve it properly. By properly, we mean, in a way the players think gives them an advantage, properly a rightful advantage. Take this other quote: The DM is making a decision off the cuff on whether the NPC just happens to have Dispel Magic, because he didn't fully flesh out the NPC before hand. The question comes up, most likely because the PCs are trying to hurt him and thus they are deeply invested in wanting the reality where he doesn't have the spell. So, once again, the nature of how the GM chooses to resolve or determine the outcome and nature of reality can be hotly contested by the players. The players would prefer the NPC's spell list be set before combat, so that the DM can't invent counters to what the PCs do by virture of it having not been defined yet. Barring crappy DMs who just do crappy things, even a good DM, who adlibs may subconciously bias his adlibbing creations. [MENTION=4937]Celebrim[/MENTION] had a whole slew of Shroedinger's fine products and what was wrong with them in a thread from a while back. Getting back to that earthquake. The GM decides to just use a 50/50 chance to see if the PC survives. The player balks at that, because they used to live in LA, and they know their animal companion would have sensed it first, the PC is really strong so could have held up a ceiling, the PC is really fast and could have rushed to a door frame, the house's materials aren't even that heavy to do much damage, the PC's dwarvish background would have indicated this structure was earthquake-resilient anyway, and so on. To the player, this whole situation needs a more complex and comprehensive resolution mechanic. Possibly even multiple rolls to simulate all the factors that are going on. Suffice it to say, the act of a DM "just deciding" is a major source of rules debates. [/QUOTE]

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