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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Henrix" data-source="post: 358330" data-attributes="member: 3587">Even the saves of the Vampire and the Ghost are as the base creature, i.e. as a Ftr5.(The Lich is harder, as it is an 11th level Wizard. And Wizards have the same BAB and Save progression as Undead.)I am not saying that all undead templates retain the BAB and Saves of the base creature, but that they do in accordance with the template in question.The Monte Ghoul/Ghast template uses Undead BAB and base creature saves, for instance, while Tweet's Skeleton and Zombie templates use both undead BAB and Saves.[Edit]And the Ghost, Lich and Vampire all use the base creatures saves and BAB. (Though the latter may not be true in the case of the Lich, as it does not have a 'Attack' entry, but states that one should use the character's statistics and special abilities unless changed by the template. Generally it does not matter, unless it is a Lich of a Cleric. )</blockquote>