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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kraydak" data-source="post: 3884550" data-attributes="member: 12306">You know, I was playing in a 1ed game recently.  8thish level party vs horde of hill giant/troll types.  It was a slaughter.  There wasn't any real risk on our part.  That comment about 3rd lvl orcs being dangerous against 8th lvl pcs in 1ed but not in 3rd is ridiculous.  The orcs *might* be hitting more in 1st (the reverse is more likely though, they didn't get +3 to hit from strength), but they are only doing d6 instead of 2d4+4.I'm filing this under the must talk down 3ed, even if it is stretching the facts listing... which I'm seeing way too much of.</blockquote>