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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SilverfireSage" data-source="post: 6405907" data-attributes="member: 6778313"><p>All of those are only gained by a certain individual wildshape. No creature has all of them, or even a couple of those. Flying around as a hawk to scout and your friends are attacked? Have to burn another wild shape in order to help. Climbing up a wall as a spider and get knocked off? Have to change into a hawk to survive. Suddenly in all of these situations you've burned up all of your wild shape abilities, and require an hour long rest to gain them back. As you've stated, the wild shaped druid is just about as effective as a barbarian in wild shape, but what happens after that combat? What happens when they don't have a wild shape ability left and are forced to fight as themselves? A lot of people seem to look at these classes and say "holy crap look at how much damage they can do in x rounds if they use all their abilities!" while neglecting to take into account that a lot of adventures have more than a few encounters per day. A barbarian is really powerful even without using the rage. They can go all day doing crazy amounts of damage, and are only enhanced when they go into their range. Once a druid is out of wildshape, they're down to spells, none of which will be that powerful in combat.</p></blockquote><p></p>