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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6425946" data-attributes="member: 15700"><p>It is important to balance because it's limiting to what creatures you can find. If you're a desert druid, or a jungle druid, probably no brown bear. And even if you are in an area where brown bears are, they have limitations as well (like super low AC) and you most likely won't have ever seen a tiger to decide to change into that instead. And that's not even mentioning things like a dinosaur or elephant for down the road. To be honest, if a player tried metagaming like that, I'd put the kibosh on it quickly.</p><p></p><p>It's also worth noting:</p><p></p><p>* Even the bear form isn't that OP judging by many of the people's actual play experience feedback. You're up front in melee and getting hit almost every time because your AC is so low. I have yet to see a front line bear form last more than a handful of rounds like that, while the fighter (and especially barbarian with damage resistance) lasted A LOT longer</p><p>* the rate of leveling from 1 to 5 is very fast, and the relative power of the bear quickly diminishes after level 2.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Is it a really nice power? Sure. But you can't really call it OP if you're going to ignore much of the mitigating rules. This conversation strongly reminds me of how people would complain that the AD&D magic user was too OP, only to find out they were ignoring spell components, spell interruptions, and % to learn/spell failure rules. Well duh.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 6425946, member: 15700"] It is important to balance because it's limiting to what creatures you can find. If you're a desert druid, or a jungle druid, probably no brown bear. And even if you are in an area where brown bears are, they have limitations as well (like super low AC) and you most likely won't have ever seen a tiger to decide to change into that instead. And that's not even mentioning things like a dinosaur or elephant for down the road. To be honest, if a player tried metagaming like that, I'd put the kibosh on it quickly. It's also worth noting: * Even the bear form isn't that OP judging by many of the people's actual play experience feedback. You're up front in melee and getting hit almost every time because your AC is so low. I have yet to see a front line bear form last more than a handful of rounds like that, while the fighter (and especially barbarian with damage resistance) lasted A LOT longer * the rate of leveling from 1 to 5 is very fast, and the relative power of the bear quickly diminishes after level 2. Is it a really nice power? Sure. But you can't really call it OP if you're going to ignore much of the mitigating rules. This conversation strongly reminds me of how people would complain that the AD&D magic user was too OP, only to find out they were ignoring spell components, spell interruptions, and % to learn/spell failure rules. Well duh. [/QUOTE]
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