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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7470202" data-attributes="member: 996">That's very 1e AD&amp;D DMG of you.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp;&nbsp; And, yeah, I'm fine with that.&nbsp;My concern is that it seems like a novel (to 4e, obviously it's old-school) mechanic.&nbsp; Like Abdul, I have a preference for using existing mechanics, if possible, to keep the game consistent.&nbsp; Saves in 4e are a duration mechanic.&nbsp; Hmm...&nbsp; I suppose it could be the 'duration of your courage...'&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp;&nbsp; OK, there is /one/ example of a save that's not strictly speaking a duration mechanic.&nbsp; Fine.&nbsp; And, I suppose, in some instances, where the battlefield is just super-deadly, it can have an extreme effect of just being out of the fight or not.&nbsp; Fair point.&nbsp; I guess establishing that team monster in a given encounter has 'brittle morale' or something would be like establishing that there's a bottomless pit or high cliff or the like, and anyone pushed over it is out of the combat - just one the PCs can't be pushed off.&nbsp; That'd make the combat 'easier' so you could have bigger exp budget......OK, I see it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7470202, member: 996"] That's very 1e AD&D DMG of you. ;) And, yeah, I'm fine with that. My concern is that it seems like a novel (to 4e, obviously it's old-school) mechanic. Like Abdul, I have a preference for using existing mechanics, if possible, to keep the game consistent. Saves in 4e are a duration mechanic. Hmm... I suppose it could be the 'duration of your courage...' ;) OK, there is /one/ example of a save that's not strictly speaking a duration mechanic. Fine. And, I suppose, in some instances, where the battlefield is just super-deadly, it can have an extreme effect of just being out of the fight or not. Fair point. I guess establishing that team monster in a given encounter has 'brittle morale' or something would be like establishing that there's a bottomless pit or high cliff or the like, and anyone pushed over it is out of the combat - just one the PCs can't be pushed off. That'd make the combat 'easier' so you could have bigger exp budget... ...OK, I see it. [/QUOTE]

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