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<blockquote data-quote="Jenka" data-source="post: 1924506" data-attributes="member: 25042">Here's another bit for the discussion. The PC's all &quot;good&quot; encounter the foul minions of the Rat Queen and slaughter or drive them off. Stopping the rounds of Kidnappings and Human sacrifice.&nbsp; The problem is the Rat Queen is the consort of the King of Plagues and the human sacrifices are souls sent as messengers to the queen to convince her to keep the King of Plagues happy.&nbsp; The souls stop arriving.&nbsp; The King of Plagues gets unhappy and thus Cholera and Typhus which had been eliminated from the country return killing thousands.&nbsp;&nbsp; Is this grey, or starkly black and white?&nbsp; Who were the “Evil” people here?&nbsp; It could be agued the PC's were.&nbsp;&nbsp; When Gods are real and you have a pile of them how do you bend things to be so clear?&nbsp; While the game has clearly defined good and evil lawful and chaotic.&nbsp; It certainly leaves room for Good to be just as terrible as Evil.&nbsp; Lawful Good characters are frequently portrayed as righteous.&nbsp; Convinced of their purity and morality they smite those who don’t believe as they do.&nbsp;&nbsp; They can be intolerant and vicious but are still Lawful Good.&nbsp; Benedictine Monks during the Inquisition honestly believed that they were saving peoples souls that the pain and torture they inflicted was necessary, lawful, and good.&nbsp; It had to be done else the devil would hopelessly corrupt the sinners and deny them the peace and grace of heaven.&nbsp; Even Sauron in the Lord of the Rings had been “good” once.History is rife with examples of gods that must be appeased in one way or another.&nbsp; And with people who firmly believed that if they didn’t perform the sacrifices they were endangering their community.&nbsp; Even if you say “These people are evil because they do X”&nbsp; X is only “evil” from your vantage pointDon't forget point of reference when you are talking about Morality.&nbsp; Just because some one is incurably evil doesn’t mean they aren’t valuable members of the community. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Jenka &quot;The thoughtfull&quot; Tamar</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jenka, post: 1924506, member: 25042"] Here's another bit for the discussion. The PC's all "good" encounter the foul minions of the Rat Queen and slaughter or drive them off. Stopping the rounds of Kidnappings and Human sacrifice. The problem is the Rat Queen is the consort of the King of Plagues and the human sacrifices are souls sent as messengers to the queen to convince her to keep the King of Plagues happy. The souls stop arriving. The King of Plagues gets unhappy and thus Cholera and Typhus which had been eliminated from the country return killing thousands. Is this grey, or starkly black and white? Who were the “Evil” people here? It could be agued the PC's were. When Gods are real and you have a pile of them how do you bend things to be so clear? While the game has clearly defined good and evil lawful and chaotic. It certainly leaves room for Good to be just as terrible as Evil. Lawful Good characters are frequently portrayed as righteous. Convinced of their purity and morality they smite those who don’t believe as they do. They can be intolerant and vicious but are still Lawful Good. Benedictine Monks during the Inquisition honestly believed that they were saving peoples souls that the pain and torture they inflicted was necessary, lawful, and good. It had to be done else the devil would hopelessly corrupt the sinners and deny them the peace and grace of heaven. Even Sauron in the Lord of the Rings had been “good” once. History is rife with examples of gods that must be appeased in one way or another. And with people who firmly believed that if they didn’t perform the sacrifices they were endangering their community. Even if you say “These people are evil because they do X” X is only “evil” from your vantage point Don't forget point of reference when you are talking about Morality. Just because some one is incurably evil doesn’t mean they aren’t valuable members of the community. :) Jenka "The thoughtfull" Tamar [/QUOTE]

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