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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Deset Gled" data-source="post: 9742614" data-attributes="member: 7808">I'm with others, like [USER=11760]@Whizbang Dustyboots[/USER], who believe this is not a binary good/evil thing.  At all.  Shades of gray, relative morality, and all that.But I'll expand on what [USER=4534]@MGibster[/USER] said as well. In my experience, it's always magical mind control that people make these extreme statements about evil mind control.  For some reason, a magic spell with a Wisdom save is evil.  But I have never seen someone claim that a Deception or Performance check to make someone act differently is the same level of evil, even if the end results are exactly the same.  I don't think there should be a difference.It's 100% possible that Ben Kenobi could have simply talked his way through the Imperial checkpoint.  It would have been much much riskier, but it's possible.  Would that have been any better or worse?  IMNSHO, no.  YMMV.We're mind controlled all the time with high technology that is almost (but not quite) indistinguishable from magic.  Cookies track you.  Ads are tailored to your needs.  Companies have been caught listening to your private conversations and reading your private emails.  But we're all still here on the internet, willingly subjecting ourselves to the magic lies.  For fun, and for profit.  I submit that mind control is bad.  But it can't be that bad, or none of us would be here on ENWorld to talk about it.  It's a level of evil that we have all accepted and live with.That being said, the gradient of evil-ness still applies to non-magical mind control as well.  We accept the cookies.  We hope Amazon and Google to get a slap on the wrist when they're caught spying.  And we would all sue the heck out of someone who lied about their medical credentials and botched a procedure.</blockquote>

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