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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Reynard" data-source="post: 9742773" data-attributes="member: 467">I tend to think of "evil" in terms of harm caused. With mind control, there are a few aspects that we can use to measure that.First, is the victim aware that they are being controlled but have no capacity to do otherwise? That is traumatic and harmful and therefore evil.Even if the victim is convinced the thing they are doing is something they actually want to do, are they being compelled to do something they would otherwise NOT want to do? If so, that brings harm after the fact and is evil.Forcing someone to use their body for something they do not consent to is an obvious evil, but what about using their authority or access?And then all of this has to narrow to the target. Are you mind controlling space nazis? If so, the evil of the mind control is irrelevant in the face of the evil that would have otherwise been committed by the space nazis.So when a player in my D&D 2024 game recently used suggestion (broken as hell in 2024) to have the dragon's lieutenant up and leave the cave before the fight started, should I have dinged the PC for using an evil action even though their sheet says "neutral good"? I don't think so.</blockquote>