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<blockquote data-quote="Reynard" data-source="post: 9743213" data-attributes="member: 467">I think posts juxtapositing mind control versus killing are sort of missing the point. The idea isn't &quot;Is mind control more evil.than killing?&quot; The question is &quot;Is mind control, in and of itself, an evil.&quot; And while as I stated in my response previously, I think the answer is &quot;It depends on harm done,&quot; I still think it is an interesting question to ask.Like, if we accept that taking autonomy away from a sentient being is &quot;evil&quot; -- and mind control does that by definition -- then the discussion becomes &quot;under what circumstances is that evil act justified?&quot; That, I think, is an inherently more interesting discussion than &quot;Is killing more evil?&quot;Tangentially:What if mind control is permanent? That is, whatever rewriting the psychic does creates a lasting inherent change in the target? For example, the PCs use charm person against a guard to let them into the keep.What if that makes a permanent change to the guards disposition and perception. The guard will never know they were controlled,wil never have guilt or suffer trauma over what they did, and will always believe that they did the right thing by helping the PCs. Where does that sit on the &quot;It's evil&quot; continuum?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Reynard, post: 9743213, member: 467"] I think posts juxtapositing mind control versus killing are sort of missing the point. The idea isn't "Is mind control more evil.than killing?" The question is "Is mind control, in and of itself, an evil." And while as I stated in my response previously, I think the answer is "It depends on harm done," I still think it is an interesting question to ask. Like, if we accept that taking autonomy away from a sentient being is "evil" -- and mind control does that by definition -- then the discussion becomes "under what circumstances is that evil act justified?" That, I think, is an inherently more interesting discussion than "Is killing more evil?" Tangentially: What if mind control is permanent? That is, whatever rewriting the psychic does creates a lasting inherent change in the target? For example, the PCs use charm person against a guard to let them into the keep. What if that makes a permanent change to the guards disposition and perception. The guard will never know they were controlled,wil never have guilt or suffer trauma over what they did, and will always believe that they did the right thing by helping the PCs. Where does that sit on the "It's evil" continuum? [/QUOTE]

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