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<blockquote data-quote="Deset Gled" data-source="post: 9743488" data-attributes="member: 7808">My D&amp;D barbarian roommate doesn't know I'm a wizard (they think I'm just an Aristocrat). One day they pay me their portion of the rent in gold pieces. The next day, I magically transport the gold back to their secret storage (which they believe is completely secure). I claim they never paid me and now owe a late fee. They check their stash and find the gold there. Because they believe it's impossible for me to access their storage, they acquiesce that they must be mistaken and pay me extra.Did I supernaturally impose my will, or just use supernatural powers to impose my will? Is there a difference? Would it be different if I used a Star Trek teleporter to do the same thing?This is just one contrived scenario to explain why I don't think the word &quot;supernatural&quot; is relevant to the discussion. It's a shield to let people separate their opinions on mind control in fantasy (or sci fi) from their opinions in real life.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Deset Gled, post: 9743488, member: 7808"] My D&D barbarian roommate doesn't know I'm a wizard (they think I'm just an Aristocrat). One day they pay me their portion of the rent in gold pieces. The next day, I magically transport the gold back to their secret storage (which they believe is completely secure). I claim they never paid me and now owe a late fee. They check their stash and find the gold there. Because they believe it's impossible for me to access their storage, they acquiesce that they must be mistaken and pay me extra. Did I supernaturally impose my will, or just use supernatural powers to impose my will? Is there a difference? Would it be different if I used a Star Trek teleporter to do the same thing? This is just one contrived scenario to explain why I don't think the word "supernatural" is relevant to the discussion. It's a shield to let people separate their opinions on mind control in fantasy (or sci fi) from their opinions in real life. [/QUOTE]

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