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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9743806" data-attributes="member: 93670">You confirmed my suspicion but having read into some of the books written by  people like Milton Erickson Milgram and others who seemed to be involved in some of the questionable/sometimes unexpectedly horrifying 1940s &1950s research into the topic and even done a bit of hypnotism on other willing subjects for fun I'd say that it and everything else real world falls extremely far short of even the most limited ttrpg mind control options to the point that the best book I can recommend on it contains the words <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/447454.Monsters_and_Magical_Sticks" target="_blank">there is no such thing as hypnosis</a> in the title because it talks about so many tangentially related things and drops book citations left and right for solid reading into those subjects.Starting with that bold bit.  Those terms refer to specific things and I even mentioned a specific flavor of indoctrination.  They were only used for clarity rather than as some kind of moral judgement, but even at their most effective the things that make them work show how far short they fall from the most rudamentary trrpg mind control and potentially beyond more advanced flavors.It's probably telling in showing how different from ttrpg mind control that those real world options fall when the most well known and deeply studied example of widespread deployment of those practices led to things like the Milgram experiment Stanford prison experiment paradox of tolerance and the theory of stupidity[Spoiler="relevant conceptual groundwork"][MEDIA=youtube]vuMt8b4UrcI[/MEDIA][MEDIA=youtube]ww47bR86wSc[/MEDIA][MEDIA=youtube]iXv91xFipLM[/MEDIA][MEDIA=youtube]w89vn8WmJKs[/MEDIA]Pretty sure three of those are covered in that book[/Spoiler]Cult indoctrination and certain forms of propaganda can use those kinds of things to go well into deeply unethical brainwashing type results but there is a difference between mind control and convincing someone that they are better than people of another group so  it's important to protect someone or something they care about even at a cost of actions that would be beyond the pale if done to an equal rather than someone so far below good upstanding folk like them.... that italicized thought process can involve all 4 of those[/spoiler]<img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="👨‍⚕️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f468-2695.png" title="Man health worker    :man_health_worker:" data-shortname=":man_health_worker:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="👨‍⚕️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f468-2695.png" title="Man health worker    :man_health_worker:" data-shortname=":man_health_worker:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />Teacher you must administer the corrective punishment shock to ensure that the learner improves appropriately. This is for the learner's benefit and valuable data will be obtained from their progress<img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="👨‍⚕️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f468-2695.png" title="Man health worker    :man_health_worker:" data-shortname=":man_health_worker:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="👨‍⚕️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f468-2695.png" title="Man health worker    :man_health_worker:" data-shortname=":man_health_worker:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />Edit: helldivers makes a great example of a society rooted in some of those things and does it without needing mind control.</blockquote>

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